I agree with your comment above and think it can be applied to the signing of recruits discussion as well. With that I sincerely wish a sincere nice day and hope we drop this conversation and see how things play out in the future.
I got you. I just asked how he was doing? And you think that oversigning is the difference in his record? At Toledo he went 9-2 and was Mid-American Co-Champ, at Michigan State he improved them to at least have winning seasons and in '98 MSU beat both Ohio State and Notre Dame but they did only have a 6-6 record. In '99 he went 9-2 and beat ND, UM, OSU and PSU. That was their best record since 1965. No NC's but not too bad. I mean he beat Ohio State 2 years in a row. Look let's talk integrity when you get out from under the sanctions that Tressel put you in. 8)
His record at MSU was less than stellar.....5 years 34-24-1 and his 2 years in the NFL sported a losing 15-17. Zero championships in either place....looking at MSU, by contrast D'Antonio's 6 year record is better at 44-22 and he also has two championships. Clearly he's done a better job in the same place. Like I said, it's possible that Saban woke up that first morning in Baton Rouge and the land of the oversigning gravy train, went from average results at best - average record of the 7 years in his prior two stops of 7-6 - and then suddenly became a better and smarter coach but somehow I just don't think things work that way....... Priceless....a Bama guy moralizing about sanctions and integrity! :shock: After being a participant and providing the nation with the first "probation bowl" LSU/Bama - a bowl game in which both teams were currently on NCAA probation for wrongdoing....in Bama's case on Saban's watch, seriously? For the 4th time in 14 years seriously? Just the recent past shows in 02 Bama gets whacked with a 5 year probation, gets out of jail for barely over a year and then gets whacked and put on probation again in 09 for 3 years, seriously? In the last 10 years Bama, that bastion of integrity, has been on probation for 8 of those years and in the 6 years prior to that, 2 additional NCAA enforcement proceedings, seriously? A repeat-repeat-repeat-repeat violator with the death penalty on the table for discussion...seriously? That's like Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears lecturing young women on proper behavior in public or Pol Pot discussing human rights...... Dude, you are now at present on probation. Given that and the additional background as only your recent moral credentials, and Saban as just the latest ringleader of that fine tradition and you are going to talk to ANYBODY about integrity? Sorry KP, but somebody needs to tell you that the ground upon which you are standing is just a little shaky..... That's the biggest effing joke ever to appear on these boards but thanks for the comic relief..... :lol:
You know BT I find it strange how you will continue to hammer other programs but not admit anything about your own. Saban, whether you like him or hate him, has never had a program put on probation due to his actions. However you hammer him. Tressel on the other hand has had a program put on probation under his watch, was suspended and then had to resign. Yet you say he is loaded with intregrity. But Saban is terrible? Sorry but that just does not compute. Saban may do things that you personally do not agree with and in fact others, including myself, may question things that he does. However they are not illegal and well may lead to some reform. However Tressel did cross the line and has paid a big price. To me it seems we ought to drop this line of discussion as it's a no win for any of us.
Bill, I didn't bring Tressel into this discussion. He was referenced in a manner that was rude, sarcastic and non-productive in its intent. I found that curious coming from a supporter of a school not only with a history as a serial violator but one that is as we speak currently on probation - hence the Pol Pot and human rights comment. Just so we have our facts correct, Alabama was put on probation, ordered to pay thousands in restitution and and forced to vacate wins as a result of wrongdoing during Saban's tenure as well as his predecessor. Something about throwing stones and glass houses here seems quite appropriate.....perhaps your comments should be directed as well to those that cast the first stones.....
BT, my comment was directed at all, and you have done your share of throwing stones also. It's just time to let this go. You have to expect that when you are critical of others practice, and you were, that there are likely some barbs will be sent back.
Bill that's just BS.....I didn't start the thread, but contributed factual data to provide evidence as to the extent of a controversial practice nationwide. KP's contribution was precisely what and with what intent? A sophomoric cheap shot, intended to inflame...period. Bill with all due respect, your bias is clearly evident....it's a good thing we have more than one moderator.....
Bill, I love you, man, and I agree that it is time to let it go, but I gotta log in on this. (Let's go back to the girlie pictures). Can't let my man BT get ganged up upon. This whole thread was started by one of your fellow administrators (I love you too, Terry!)...in an article critical of oversigning and the treatment of this kid. BT stayed out of it, despite his well known distaste for the disparity of signing restrictions. But then in understandably defending his school (Love you too, Ralph!), OSU, PSU, and USC get brought up...BT still stays quiet for a bit. Then Gip (love you too, Mike) with his sense of humor stirs the pot even more. That is when BT jumped in and basically said "WTF?" and I agree with him. You are actually the one who brought up the oversigning part of the argument and the article...thus ensuring BT's expression of his opinions. I find it curious that you so vigorously defend the SEC's signing rules, given that your own school seems to find something wrong with them. You are entitled to that opinion but it surprises me how sensitive you seem to be about it. It seems to rankle you more than the argument merits. Thought Gators had thick hides.
Once again grenades are lobbed over the fence (Satan?), and when l respond with ...you know what, never mind, I'll back out.
Welp.....whatta we do know? Well, obviously it's time for another SKYBOX reunion (2nd Quad annual)... TOGA TOGA TOGA!!!
Stu I love you man but, I didn't post until about post 17 and basically followed up on Sid's humor but made the mistake of saying in the middle of my post that the SEC had dealt with the over signing issue. Which is true. Background, the NCAA I believe has a limit of 28 per year, the SEC lowered the limit to 25 which is below NCAA standards. Regardless it was kind of a bland statement where I was hoping to kind of let this topic and over signing subject die. However as you said BT has an issue with over signing and took issue with the SEC dealing with the issue then let us know that 28 per year x 4 = 112. Well in the first place no kidding, he did his math right. Secondly if he wanted to discuss current SEC rules it would have been 25 x 4 = 100. Which by the way is below NCAA rules. I've heard the argument before about some schools or conferences having more stringent rules and it's not fair that others can get recruits they can't. It never has and still doesn't hold water to complain about others having an advantage because you or your conference chose to be more stringent. I honestly don't see BT being ganged up on, he has an issue with over signing, however our conference now has stricter rules than the NCAA for which I am glad, and you might think BT would wait and see how it works before making lengthy posts about how the SEC still has an advantage. Love you Stu, but right now BT is dealing with the past and not what will happen with new SEC rules. And yes I am glad we changed them more in line with what Florida has been doing. Sorry for the length of my post, but in my humble opinion BT has not been ganged up on and I will defend my SEC buddy kp because if any one was ganged up on here it was his favorite school. It's time we end this.
Bad offensive line play.......lousy offensive coaching.....soft defense......lousy wide receivers........coaching upheaval.......horrific quarterback play........tiny running backs......... None of the above is why Bama has been handing our ass to us in the past two seasons.......it's all because of over signing by the Tide.......plain and simple. :wink: 8)
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What crap......O'Keefe throws down the match, KP douses it with gasoline, I run into the house and I'm charged with arson.....I get it. As others have suggested, you're overly sensitive and it has caused you to lose all perspective as it relates to this particular thread.......