You twist the knife far to much, so I don't see how you can expect people to understand the difference. Your choice about whether you post articles or not.
now way Corey, you can't be serious <t>Why yes Corey, I am. For as bad as Notre Dame fans thought that they have had it, it does go to show you that perhaps things aren't as bad as they seem. At the same time, it does also go to show that perhaps ND (while falling by their standards) has not fallen as far from being a top tier program regardless of what many pundits have been saying durin g that time frame.<br/> <br/> Wow Corey, that's interesting. Almost as interesting is the fact that 8 comments have gone by since you made a football (and article related) posting that no one managed to mention..<br/> <br/> <br/> ps<br/> <br/> STFU and talk football or I'll declare it Caturday and all hell will break loose. (basically that means Rick and I will spend hours upon hours of posting the funniest damned cat pictures you've ever seen to the point where it will become obnoxious and tiresome)</t>
Re: umm <r><QUOTE author="IrishCorey"><s> </e></QUOTE> <br/> Corey,<br/> I was equally surprised by the Alabama ranking of #24. This has been the worst period since the 50's and we are still #24. Hopefully we are headed upward.</r>
KP, I don't agree with that statement in it's entirety. As I said...the iron is hot...the SEC and Gators are present news and very well could be old news as you know how the worm can easily turn in college football. Maybe Saban will give media and Tide fans something positive to talk about but that remains to be seen. It's hard to post articles when no one is writing much about you and worse yet not many in the sports world care. If I were a Michigan State football fan for example I would be hard pressed to find post-worthy online articles on the Spartans right now. I think it's fun to find out what fans of other conferences think about football in general and sometimes specifically about these articles and writer's opinions and my own opinions. I am not afraid to post it out there and see what develops and see how people feel. I guess this board has evolved into a Centreville where everything is milk and honey and opinions are not welcome.
This will be my only response to this Dave. As a SEC fan, I am proud of SEC accomplishments, Tennessee first of course. I would dare say that IF I were the one that posted any of the individual articles you posted, there would probably be a discussion on the article with no outrage from anyone. Why do you think the results are so different when you post them? Think about it before answering. To me, it appears to be the messenger rather than the message. What do the other members have against the messenger? Let’s see… you have been told that you can’t let go on any topic. Referees were beat into the ground by you so long that people couldn’t stand to read any more about that topic. It was not just referees… Any topic that you feel strongly about will be pushed beyond the envelope. It is your stance that everyone else is wrong, you are right. You have a history that is not going to go away overnight. Do I have any suggestions as to how to repair this? None other than those that I have suggested in the past. Dave, you are a knowledgeable sports fan that could be a valuable asset here. …or you can continue on the same path making everyone including yourself miserable in the process. I’m sure that you know the expression: Too much of a good thing… Central Texas was in such a drought last year that there was a billboard on one of the highways that said: Pray for Rain… It can’t hurt! Now we are on track this year to get double the average annual rainfall. It has rained a minimum of 4 days each week since April. People are now sick of what they craved just 12 months ago. Think of yourself as the rain. You have information that people crave. Use moderation so that the don’t become sick of it.
Tom, Bill, TOK, et al, I for one didn't have any problems with the article whatsoever and further, I doubt whether any of my Buckeye or conference brethern did either.....the mans opinion is interesting, timely and relevant and he puts forth some evidence as to why he has such an opinion. But at the end of the day, it his just his opinion and we just don't happen to agree with his opinion and put greater weight on relevant and timely evidence that runs contrary to his view. Period. Granted the incessant crowing does get old but small change next to the real issue for me....my issues were with the manner of the responses.....targeted, demeaning with intent and continual beyond that which is necessary and reasonable to argue a point.
Thank you Terry, I think you said what I wanted to say but much better than I managed. I'm hoping MCG will realize he can have a lot of friends here but the way things are presented can and are very important. Thanks again for you timely input.
Thanks for some well thought out responses. Some of what Tom says ties in to what BT says because some stats and facts and opinions I may list...since they are coming from me are not taken well even if they are relevant. Some facts/stats are unpleasant to some in any given debate because sometimes what has occurred is unpleasant albeit inescapable. I will try to deliver these as placidly as possible when the need is there for stating such issues but I will not be a scared....on thin ice milquetoast who absorbs barbs and innuendos without any defense or response from me. If that is only way I can post here then I won't.
christ almighty <r>KP, that's a good point man. i didn't even catch that about the Tide..<br/> <br/> <br/> MCG, ...you fail to realize that 'facts/stats' are, at best, subjective and entirely relative in importance to the person reading them. While that may sound Clintonian, I would submit to you ND's record against UF (in bowl games no less). I could use that to show ND's all time domination of Florida and in a bowl game to boot. Most, if not all as they should, would refute that.. but the numbers show 'the truth'...<br/> <br/> Numbers are dangerous things... Those that put stock in them often do so at the risk of ignoring reality. Remember, the numbers said on December 31st that Ohio State was going to kick Florida's arse 7 ways from Sunday, and not a one of you UF fans didn't at least think that was a possibility. However, the reality of the meeting was something quite different.<br/> <br/> There are often multiple realities to situations and more than one perspective.. Lets talk football or...............<br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x207/bowconnor/caturday/catGIVEUP1416993253.jpg"><s></e></IMG></r>
You are right Corey in your allusion to the fact that one game in 1992 doesn't amount to much for this season or even for the last 6 seasons.....back thru 2001...which is the timeframe the CFN article was using as it's basis. Certainly some records that exist btw members of the Big 10 and SEC were not entirely created in that timeframe either. It is more relevant what happened last year than pre-2001 when discussing what might happen this coming year but as we have seen time and again it is not nearly 100% reliable to use last year's results as a sole prognosticator. I think the reason CFN went back to 2001 was to gain a BCS Bowl historical perspective and that's how the SEC comes in with a 7-1 record as a talking point for BCS conference strength. You can kick all kinds of things around when trying to gain some insight into what might happen in CFB in the coming season but usually the recent past is a better indicator to be sure than what happened 15-20 years ago.
i do see what you are saying <t>but personally, I just dont put stock in it. BCS wins... how great are those? I mean, you can play against a Big East or ACC champ just as easily as you can a Big12 or SEC champ.<br/> <br/> I know that SEC fans love to put more stock in bowl games than the regular season, but using that line of thinking, the SEC produced the NC but the Big10 head the better conference. Wisconsin beat Arkanas and Penn State beat Tennessee...<br/> <br/> In fact, the SEC really didn't do that well at all. While Florida and LSU both put up impressive bowl wins, I think its also worth considering that LSU played a team that 'wasn't worthy' according to many football 'experts' and the Florida/Ohio State game was 'just one of those games' in which everything goes right for one opponent and wrong for the other. That's the problem with football, there's no 7 game series...which is fine, but people dont seem to consider that one day wonders happen.</t>
Well Vandy at Michigan and several games between Ky and Indiana don't tell us much either. LSU over Big Ten champ Illinois and Fla over Big Ten Champ OSU could mean a little more. Those are the two biggest Bowls btw the two conferences since 2001. LSU also beat Big 12 champ Oklahoma for an NC so that's 3 of the seven BCS wins that seem pretty decent....for this discussion anyway. Auburn beating VaTech in the Sugar Bowl to finish 13-0 ain't half bad either........ ......and PRESTO.... therein lies the real intention of this article and of it's importance to MCG.... After last year 's NC game and scenario that surrounded it with Michigan, and given the results of the SEC at 7-1 in the BCS as posted by CFN and in consideration of Auburn at 13-0 getting shut out of the NC I believe the SEC has a firm leg up on all other conferences with all else being equal when it comes to the NC game selections. And that my friends is truly a big deal to most CFB fans.
<<Well Vandy at Michigan and several games between Ky and Indiana don't tell us much either.>> I guess that the home and homes between Fla, Ga. et al and Ohio St. Neb. et all are hard to schedule. We all know why.
Act like you've been there before <t>I don't agree with that statement in it's entirety. <br/> <br/> MCG, <br/> You say you have to strike while the iron is hot and that is the problem. I firmly believe that Alabama has been in the business of winning NC's for a hundred years and they will again. The iron will be hot many more times. Florida is on a terrific run, as is the SEC, constantly talking about it and posting articles just sucks the class out of it and makes it seem like it is a fleeting anomaly. If you think that is the case, then you are right, strike while the iron is hot.</t>
You have a lot of patience KP. I checked and Bama has been on a lull not experienced in many years. I hear what you are saying but the media is a different story. They tend to cover what's hot and in the here and now. It is easy to say how reserved you can be when not much is being made of your team relatively speaking. If Saban can indeed bring Bama back to top glory nationally the whole state of Alabama will be on it's ear and crowing loudly....except for a select few of which you are one. Maybe you disagree with this and so be it.....your opinion.
KP and others.... Digest this thought a little with regard to recent accomplishments by Florida and therefore as it relates to topical articles in the media: NO program in the history of intercollegiate sports has EVER accomplished even 2/3 of what the University of Florida has just accomplished.....winning 3 straight major NCs in BB and FB. That's 2/3.. It's hard to act like you have been there before when you haven't and more importantly neither has anyone else. So think about that a little and when you get realistic in your thoughts you may understand why it seems as if you are being inundated with crap about the Gators and it annoys you. I don't blame you.
I understand that you are an obsessive/compulsive personality. And I think about it everytime you post this drivel. If you were a beer I would name you "Gonzo Light". Same stale taste but MUCH less filling.
I near ya George but these smug holier than thou attitudes bug me when no other teams or programs have done what UF has done and most likely never will. That's sorta like Aruba instructing the US how to act after a successful nuclear airstrike.