Thanks Tom, I messed up the copy and paste. I thought I had copied one of Corey's comments and pasted it but just pasted the same quote twice. I corrected my original post and here's the way it should have read.
Bill it was and is my opinion that the coaches should not have had OK ahead of Tx. And the fact that the poll narrowed doesn't mean that they weren't wrong then and before then. I've got my facts straight thank you. OK was a one arm fighter coached by a BCS flop. Perfect foil if there was one.
Gipper, I see that you do not respect the Big 12 very much and especially their defenses. Not saying you're wrong.......just sayin.
Gipper the way I read your post you were blaming the coaches poll for putting Oklahoma in the BCS Championship game, if that is what you meant then your facts were wrong, thank you. If on the other hand you are just outraged by the one vote that wouldn't have changed who played in the Championship game then I guess you could say your facts were straight. Either way your so called facts ignored the real culprit, the computer polls. And you are welcome for me providing you the link that might allow you to put things more accurately in the future. That way when Corey says don't bother us dumb slobs here with facts and logic he can at least look at your post for more accuracy than the last one had. But here are the real facts, the Gators won the NC and Texas ended up ahead of Oklahoma where a lot of us thought they belonged all along.
Good read on this debate from CFN: http://cfn.scout.com/2/828799.html The parting shot from the well thought out article: " The issue was settled on the field this year. Debate over. "
That was a good read MCG and the author is no Gator fan. Here's another quote from the same article linked by MCG. But as someone else said facts and logic are kind of not worth much around here ......................... To the posters that like to spend their time railing about the injustice of the system. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I've pretty much had enough of the so called debate. As this article says and most posters here on Skybox agree, there is no argument except to some folks who don't like facts, logic or who just like to tilt at windmills and/or stir the pot.
I believe that if Texas had had a substantial lead over OK in the coaches poll that it would have placed them highter in the BCS and therefore qualified them for the Big 12 Champ. game. The Harris, Coaches and computers are averaged. Your welcome.
LOL And what is missed in all of this is this..... If we had a playoff, what would we be arguing about right now? Who was #16 or 17?? Why the SEC or Big12 get 4 teams in the tourney?!?!? That's stuff that would be long forgotten. Right now we're getting a dog and pony show... and after they play the BCS charade, we're told that 'we played it out on the field'... That's laughable. Congrats to the Gators for winning the BCSNC. You guys did it. That doesn't mean the system you won isn't broken.
You really are ignorant as to the world of football outside the SEC aren't you Gaterz? The Pac10 plays a true round robin (we've covered this before in fact). There are no unanswered questions (unliked the SEC and Big12).. Every conference member has played one another. Playing a title game for no reason at all wouldn't make any sense at all. Or are you saying that the Pac10 and the Big Televen should have a 1 game elimination playoff games?? If that is the case, fine... Let's have the SEC/Big12 have one as well. What you're asking for is FAR beyond your silly little conference title game. As for your statements about the playoff and teams feeling good... Was the purpose of the BCS to make teams feel good?? Oh hell no it wasn't. The idea of the BCS is to find a true national championship game (something it has failed to do far more than it has done). Feeling good has jack crap to do with it. Still, you can keep the bowl games and have a playoff. You are removing 16 teams from the bowl picture. I believe we had something like 68 teams go bowling this year. You can still have plenty of bowls that aren't part of the Playoff bracket. In a sense, we already have that.. I've proposed this for a while now: 16 teams. 11 conference champions, 5 wildcards. No whining.
Terry, true, but we are then whining over #16/17/18 and not #1. In fact, 11 teams earn their spot by being conference champs. 5 wildcards. (btw, in my system there is no auto bid for ND, they would have wildcard qualifying status as they do now essentially in the BCS) Much of the whining in the BCS has been about: -Pac10 champs getting left out of the title game... That is now moot as they have the same shot as everyone else in a playoff. -The MWC/WAC champ being left out... Again, this goes away with them getting a ticket to the dance. What we'd be arguing about in that format is, I'd bet you, whether the Big12/SEC deserve to get 3 teams in the dance....or should they spread the wildcards around.. At that point, we're arguing about the teams fighting for the right to get their ass kicked by UF in the swamp
Actually only a very small minority are still railing against the results. Corey reminds me of this guy.
I know it. It has absolutely ruined all other divisions of college football, college baseball, basketball, golf, gymnastics, track and field, volleyball, and oh well you get the point. Don't you? :?:
As Fiutak says the sport has never been more talked about or as popular as it is now. Why mess with success? One group that would be all for a playoff system is the airlines. Can you imagine their windfall by being able to charge less than 7 day purchase fares for big schools that would send all of their alloted fans across the country to play in last minute games? In BB that is most likely a couple of thousand but in football it could be 10-15 thousand easy.
GatorBill, More ad hominem, it's been your trademark throughout. KP, LOL.. Dave, This game is nowhere near as popular as it could be. This game is incredibly popular in regions left behind by the NFL, or MLB.. That's a fact. This game's single greatest drawback in the larger markets is the lack of the playoff. They see College football as fun, but deeply hypocritical. I know bill portrays me as a Don Quixote fighting the system rather than address my points. I bet a poll of this board would show I am far from the only one supporting a playoff. I bet a national poll would show different as well. Looking at Yahoo's user poll, they have Utah #1, Florida #2. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/polls Maybe, just maybe, I'm not the only one.
Well....Detroit is a large market and college football is very much a part of the sports landscape around these parts. I am going to guess that what you are saying is true in markets that have mostly strong pro presence and little in the way of a major college power to enjoy......like Boston maybe....or possibly Houston. I think Ohio State is a very significant part of the sports scene in Cleveland and Cinci for example and I have spent a lot of time in Dallas and one reason I like it is because someone is always wearing an A&M shirt....a Hook'em Horns shirt....etc. and that makes me feel at home. In LA recently the week before USC-UCLA there were a ton of people wearing USC shirts and talking about the big game. I hear what you are saying but I have experienced otherwise.