I only know that I hate this guy Shelby....hate the sight of his face. So....why should I ever believe an effing thing this SOB has to say? http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/08/congress.economy/index.html This I tend to believe a heck of lot more than Shelby.
A small majority with a veto threatening President and an extremely partisan strong minority. That's what the Dems had against them. Heck...even with a stronger majority and a Dem President they can't even get anything through because the GOP is so partisan. Somebody explain why it is that if they can't get it done under present conditions why should they have been able to do more before Obama? It seems we must be about as partisan in Congress as at any time in history and even when things are at a critically bad level they can't even agree on any legislation. We need to start over.... Alright John....what is it then? Any concrete ideas or are you disagreeing just to disagree?
what a bunch of crap they wouldn't pass it for fear of George Bush putting a veto on it and firmly landing all the blame on W.. Total crap. Think about what you are saying. Anyone who tells you the GOP controlled it 'the last 8 years' is lying to you while stealing your wallet.
Pelosi is crap the other way. But how is it that the GOP remains as partisan as ever on every piece of legislation so much so that the Dem legislators don't dare dissent and vote their conscience because it means sure defeat if they don't vote the party. My prediction is that if we continue down this partisan path then those who are staying on it and causing such polarization will feel the heat and quite likely lose their seats in future elections. That goes for the Pelosi types and the GOP as well. We will get a true majority in this country and get something done eventually because the American people do not want 4 or 8 more years of partisan standoffs accomplishing nothing while our economy is in an abyss.
This guy had some decidedly conservative views that he wrote about before the Nov. 2006 elections, some that I certainly do not agree with ( how would the privatization of Soc Sec look right about now ) but he does offer some insight that agrees with what I am saying: http://www.smartmoney.com/investing/stocks/more-of-the-same-20222/ And also he alludes to the fact that Congress was not under Dem control fully until those elections. Corey you keep saying 8 years of control for the Dems when in reality it was a weak majority for two years under a GOP president. Why are you so misleading? "But as a general matter, I'm satisfied that a GOP minority will do its best to block just about anything the Democratic majority wants to do — just for the sake of blocking, growth or no growth."
it isn't misleading, they had the majority!!!! there is nothing misleading about that. They could have passed legislation and put all the blame on the GOP but didn't. You remember their promises about the first 100 days? You beg for an end to 'partisan' politics, but you sure as hell weren't calling out the Dems for the first 6 years of Bush's presidency. While I'd contend that they did more harm to this country then anyone gives them credit for, I also fully respect their right to disagree with the policy and not vote for legislation that they don't back. Now after 6 years of constant antagonist and polarizing politics, you want conservative GOP politicians to just get in line and vote the way they are told to.. no matter how against this big govt spending bill they may be? They call for GOP support (although it isn't needed) is so there won't be any blame to go around when these policies fail.. Even when in absolute power, the Dems still know they are running flawed policy up the flagpole and are looking for scape goats. I hope the GOP continues to fight them every step of the way.
I disagree that this is what gets in the way of passing legislation and is the absolute strategy being employed by the Dems. Come on...you really think they can't act unless they get the blame bus lined up with the GOP on it in case they fail? I don't agree with that assessment.
Lead Follow Get out of the way They wanted to be in charge, and got what they wanted..and you're still blaming the GOP who hasn't been the majority party in 3 years. Now the Dems have the Executive as well as both Houses... How much longer can you do this? Great leadership isn't always popular leadership. Of course, you and Pelosi can go form a coalition of committees to hold a healthy debate about the future of leadership opportunities in the new American Democracy. Me, I just want someone to lead the god damned thing.
I have already explained what I think of Pelosi....not much. We are what....three weeks into your above scenario and still the GOP fights everything they can at every turn. Very loyal to the country that bunch.
.....after the shenanigans coming from the loyal opposition of the last 8 years, that may well be the most ridiculous thing you've ever said on this forum. Bizarre......
In politics...the problem has been for years and years that they all believe two wrongs make a right. We all know that is a grave mistake in good governance. "Eye for an eye"....etc. seems to be another wayward credo of our misguided leaders. This could go on for eternity...or until we have a total collapse. So...I could give two s@@@s what the Dems did in the last 8 years....it's what they do now and it's what the GOP does now. If they all want to fight each other every step of the way because they "owe" the other guy a hard time payback then that is ridiculous and stupid and tragic.
The idea is that we elect leadership both locally and federally that represent our interests. The idea of local leadership is that you are represented, even when that sentiment is not the same as it is in other parts of the country. Now you are saying that we're all suppose to get in line, wear our arm bands and follow head down in whatever direction Der Bama wants to take us in. No thank you.