Seven soldiers were killed on Wed. outside of Baghdad and two of the seven had signed an anti-Iraq war memo published in the New York Times on Aug. 19th. A quote from that article is very similar to what I have been saying on this board: ""Four years into our occupation, we have failed on every promise, while we have substituted Baath Party tyranny with a tyranny of Islamist, militia and criminal violence," they wrote. "When the primary preoccupation of average Iraqis is when and how they are likely to be killed, we can hardly feel smug as we hand out care packages."
LOL.... <t>Considering 1000-1500 of these nasty killers are being snuffed out every day over there its the cost of freedom. Guys like you never "get it" just like you don't get that to get to 9/11 the First Felon and his corrupt administration did NOTHING to stop any of this when the signs of it coming would blind anyone with a half a brain.<br/> Sad part is the Hildabeast is even worse than sick Bill.</t>
Apparently 63% of Americans are guys like me and 34% of Americans are guys like you. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/13/bush.poll/index.html I have a question also....did you ever fight in a war overseas? Have your son or sons? Does W have a son that ever fought overseas? Cheney? I have three sons....I feel as strongly about this my way as Krebs does his way.....( he has an Iraq vet son )
AJ.....I appreciate your service record absolutely. There is never a question about that. I think there are some in the military as these guys were who do not believe things are still worth dying for in Iraq. I definitely don't believe my sons would be dying for a good cause in Iraq the way things stand. That's my opinion and also one they have actually formed on their own and is the dominant opinion amongst their peers as well.
Quick Vote ( new poll from CNN ) What do you think of the plan to cut the number of troops in Iraq by 5,700 by the end of the year? About right 19% 5879 Too few 72% 22857 Too many 9% 2852
You.. <t>Exposed yourself by giving ststs from CNN. We all know what a bastion of credibility that newtwork is. No accident their ratings are at the bottom.<br/> No helping you on issues like this.</t>
Since I have been mentioned here let me clarify my position. I have done a complete 180 concerning the Iraq War. I was all for overthrow and carnage. revenge and retribution. Punishment for ignoring agreed upion sanctions. I was comforted by Bush's assurance that the US would not get involved in "nation building". Well, nation building is exactly what we've been doing since the overthrow. And, as the WH itself just admitted this AM, Iraq has done next to nothing to help itself. Bush looks like somebodies crazy uncle on TV and I voted for him 2x!! I know 8 young men in my neighborhood who have pulled duty over there. They have all come home in one piece but without much sense of accomplishment other than survival. In a nutshell, I have never seen a Muslim who's well being is worth one drop of Amercian blood.
"A native of Saudi Arabia, al Shayea was just 19 when he went to Iraq to fight for al Qaeda against American forces. He was angered, he said, by scenes of U.S. troops killings his fellow Muslims. "I went to Iraq with Saudi men because jihad is a duty for every Muslim," he said. "I went to Iraq to fight the jihad and kill Americans." This is what Iraq has wrought....recruiting films for Al Queda. What else can you expect from illiterate, impressionable young Muslims? That's another huge miscalculation of the decision to invade and occupy Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/14/reformed.jihadist/index.html
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S. involvement in Iraq . . . here's a sobering statistic. There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during a 22 month period, and a total of 2,867 deaths. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq. Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington. I might add that Washington D.C. is one of the few areas of the country that legally carrying a licensed handgun is strictly prohibited. When criminals are the only ones with guns, they use them. When citizens are armed, the criminals go elsewhere!
Tom.. <t>The wife and I are armed and have been for years in this town. Now that we have 175000 extra from Katrina things are even worse.</t>
...the nature of the poll question itself and the resulting conclusions speak to partisanship in themselves. For example, if you asked those same people the following question, "Is it advisable for the US to take action that would dramatically increase Iranian and radical Islamic influence in the Gulf region and worldwide whilst simultaneously eroding US foreign policy influence throught the world?" I dare say that far greater than 63% would be opposed to such a policy action and that is the far greater long term issue as it relates to US interests in the region and worldwide imho....... Of course people want the troops to come home. What a ridiculous question. The question is do they want them to come home and in so doing, step on our crank in the process? I think not, but we don't ever see that question asked do we???
You wanna join the rest of the Blame America for these hate-filled killers, be my guest. You wanna blame America for all the religious intolerance expressed by these murderers, be my guest. You wanna blame America for these "religious" leaders sending their youth off to die in the holy project of killing women and children, be my guest. Leave me off the bus. I'm tired of listening to this sh&t.
In the last 3 and a half decades only one Democratic president got more than half the vote....Carter. That hasn't stopped your side from spouting off.
fwiw <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> I think the Saudis would/will have something to say about that.<br/> <br/> <br/> For a slightly less misleading poll....and on a much lighter note (to cheer up Stu)<br/> <br/> Who likes boobies?<br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u168/simplybrad74/boobies.jpg"><s></e></IMG><br/> <br/> Here's my vote:<br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u199/HAWGDADDY1/woohooboobiesiz6.gif"><s></e></IMG><br/> <br/> <br/> So smile and be glad that this isn't what bikinis look like in our culture:<br/> <br/> <IMG src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k305/gaviotas/burka.jpg"><s></e></IMG></r>
"You wanna join the rest of the Blame America for these hate-filled killers, be my guest. You wanna blame America for all the religious intolerance expressed by these murderers, be my guest. You wanna blame America for these "religious" leaders sending their youth off to die in the holy project of killing women and children, be my guest." Stu....those are pretty big generalizations and off the mark. The hate is there and has been there for many reasons beyond our actions but I think it has helped magnify that hate by occupying Iraq. On the other hand I doubt many except the most extreme Muslims resent our actions to go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan. After all...an eye for an eye, etc. fits in pretty well in their culture. Iraq is a different story.
Off the mark??? If your point is that we are losing the propaganda war I guess I can agree on that...and we are not losing it because "Americans are killing Muslims"...we are losing it because there are bums like that guy who wrote that link you posted. Nope...debate the war all you want...we'd no doubt find a lot of agreement...but I'm not gonna listen to the Blame America First crowd without standing up and saying bullsh%t!