This is from a blog on Carolina Corner: http://blog.gamecockcentral.com/2010/01/only-recruiting-rule-that-truly-matters.html How true this information is I do not know, however it does raise some questions im my mind. How far do some coaches go to recruit players? This is really not sour grapes about losing Floyd to the Gators! Don
I saw that article this morning just before I left the house and wondered if it would make it to Skybox before I got back today. And sure enough it did. Don, instead of answering your question exactly I will give you some thought of my own. First Meyer is a religulous man who has had some life changing experiences recently. He has reached a conclusion that he would rather die doing something he feels he was meant to do than live without. He passed that on to Floyd and said he would like to be on the sidelines coaching him. I don't think I read in any way that Meyer said he would die for Floyd. I think I will answer your questions, most coaches will go a long way in order to recruit a player, after all they are their lifeline. As far as accuracy, I assume that at some time we've all played the game where you whisper something in someones ear who then passes it on to the next, then them to the next then you have the last person say what they heard. Frequently what comes out the end is very different that what the first person started. I think a fair amount of sour grapes is involved here as well as we don't know what Meyer really said.
So it's sour grapes when the kids goes to Florida and the kid is lying when he goes somewhere else? I think there is a rather long (in Urban years) record via recruiting tales using the kid's stories that seems to indicate he is a 'say anything' kinda guy (ala Bobby B) to get the best talent. In the end, all that matters is where the kid went. Everything prior to that is fair game so long as you're not providing an extra benefit to the kid or allowing illegal contact.
I don't doubt that coaches, within reason, do anything necessary to get the recruits. However, understand one thing here. This is being written with a Gamecock slant. If this were written on a Tennessee site, I would say the same thing. Take anything with a grain of salt that is said on an opposing university's site or an affiliated site.
The other thing that I knew would happen is Corey would show up here and blast Urban and/or the Gators. I almost posted that thought but didn't. However I will give myself a couple of pats on the back for correctly predicting your response, even though I didn't predict it here. By the way I didn't make the statement about lying that you are trying to get me to argue with you about. All that I have to add is blah blah blah blah and move on. Have a good day.
I saw it a couple of days ago. I thought it was pretty far out there, but nothing wrong with it. I have been told that in days past that ND recruiters, when recruiting Catholic kids, told them it was their Catholic duty to come to Notre Dame. I don't believe it, but I am also sure that the fact that ND is a Catholic school is played up to with the parents of Catholic kids, maybe even today. I've said it before, and Bill knows how I feel, but Urban is a relentless recruiter and while I have no doubt that he stays with in the rules. He also knows how to play the game. While none of us can know whether or not Urban was just using psychology on the young man and sensed that saying what he said would tip the scales or it was truly what was in his heart, it doesn't matter. It wasn't illegal or against the rules. Bill knows I question his ethics when it comes to recruiting, but right now he's the top recruiter in the country and not breaking any rules (that we know of). I will also say I am tired of how Charlie tried to do it, and even he started to change as he got more experience. At one time he wouldn't even talk ot a commited recruit, then when he got burned when guys stole some of his kids he started to rethink the whole thing. By the time he left he didn't really pay any attention to whether a kid was a verbal to another school or not. I hope Brian Kelly is a tireless worker like Charlie and doesn't let kids or other coaches scam him. That he comes closer to doing things like Urban than Charlie did. Maybe not pull the God told me thing, but I wouldn't be offended if he worked catholic kids from the religion angle. Terry
I actually think it's kinda funny. Keep in mind that it was a gamble by Meyer. It could have gone the other way. The kid could have said, Are you kidding me? It worked. I'm sure Meyer and other coaches have tried the same type of psychological gamble in the past and failed. The difference is that this one was publicized. Also, keep in mind that God does not care if Notre Dame wins or loses...............but His Mother does! :wink:
I didn't slam Urban Meyer or your Gators. I had pointed toward your previous positions whenever (every year) this subject comes up during recruiting. I'll just avoid the Gator sections from now on, but God help the person who segues the Gators into another thread.
Sorry Corey, you didn't point out my previous positions, you put your own spin on it. I'm fine with you visiting or not visiting Gator topics as you see fit. However I hardly think I am going to need God's help if the Gators end up in another topic.
"I read those comments and when I did I immediately spoke with my head coach Ron Cohen. Coach Cohen told me that it was not true at all and nothing like that was ever said. I immediately called Urban Meyer to let him know what was being said on the internet. I wanted to let everyone know that this is total and false information. I never said that to my coach because it did not happen and my coach never said that to anyone. I am going to the University of Florida because that is where I want to go. I have a great relationship with Urban Meyer and I am a Gator. A lot of schools tried to hit me with the religion pitch but not Florida, not at all and that's how it is and I am not going to change my mind. I have talked to a bunch of my friends and they think this is something that started on one of the Ohio State boards. People are trying to get back at me for not going to Ohio State and not going to their team but I know what I am and that is a Florida Gator." http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=168&f=1968&t=5470633
There you go, it's a internet urban legend. Seriously whether he said it or not and clearly he didn't say, but even if he did it's just recruiting. Lots of stuff gets said that isn't true! :roll: :roll:
"Sharrif was really confused and put a call into Coach Meyer. When they spoke Coach Meyer told him that he had a ‘dream’ the night before, and that Coach Meyer saw himself on the sideline coaching Sharrif. Told him that is was a "message from God that I should come back and coach, as I guess if it’s my time to die, I'd rather die on the sidelines coaching you than anywhere else in the world. "Sharrif talked to us the next day and said Ohio State is great and all, but Coach Meyer said he would DIE for me. That's pretty intense. From that day on Sharrif mainly kept to himself. But that was the turning point in my eyes." Recruiting is a whore's pasttime but any kid that is stupid enough to believe a corny pitch like this will probably be unable to find his way to class. This can't possibly be true, is it?
Gator Bill, Really no sour grapes on my part at all. I hope he succeds at Florida and all works out. In the event it does not, Urban wasted a recruit. We will not have lost anything. Time marches on! Don
Don, let me assure you that I don't mean sour grapes with you. I mean it for the guy who wrote the article and people who buy into it. George, a couple of posts above yours is a quote from Floyd.
Christ, enough already about college football. It's hockey season! Watch out for polar bears from Fairbanks... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5YjPteCPLo&feature=player_embedded