You have to wonder if UM is found guilty of major violations and recieves the type of penalty usually reserved for Alabama (weak attempt at humor), will this impact the tenure of Rich Rodriguez. I have already reported that there is ill will between RR and Lloyd Carr and now with UM AD Bill Martin retiring things could get messy in AA. :roll: NCAA Investigates UM
Terry, I realize that postings about Michigan's football program are NDNation are models of objectivity but..... http://www.detnews.com/article/20091024/SPORTS0201/910240385/Lloyd-Carr-praises--supports-U-M-s-Rich-Rodriguez A lot of "ifs" in your hypothetical. You gotta wait till the trial ends before you wrap the noose around his neck. No doubt however, there are pro and anti RR factions among former players whose public carping is pathetic. http://www.detnews.com/article/20091023/SPORTS0201/910230344/Michigan-now-a--Big-House--divided
Bobda, first Carr is a class act. Second I think that bodes well for Rodriguez and the Michigan program. I personally think that not much comes of this investigation. Either nothing or at most a slap on the hand. I thought while Rodriguez was at West Virginia, and still think, he is one of the bright minds in the business.
No troubles in Wolverine land. No sir. Let's remember how this first broke: This was from the Detroit Free Press http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4431717 "Several players?" Wonder if they were Lloyd's recruits? Nah, they probably love RR like LC does.
Like I wrote previously, Mike, I wait to see what the NCCA concludes. I don't know if the accusations are sour grapes coming from disgruntled players or whether they are telling the truth. But, I have not seen anything in print to substantiate the claim of a great rift between Carr and Rodriguez.
Let me lighten the mood here. You ever notice how much Charlie Weis looks like Chaz ( Chastity ) Bono? 8)
Bobda this is just like when I leaked that Lloyd was having medical problems he of course appeared at a Basketball game and denied it, someday when he does pass on to his reward I will be vindicated as will be my sources. So now getting word that the Oracle of Houston has revealed his problems with RR he appears on Radio and proclaims his love for Rodriguez. Someday I will be proven correct on this as well. 8) This is from the article that you linked. No doubt incredible pressure was brought on Carr to make that appearance on Radio. As to whether or not there is smoke and fire in the NCAA investigation we of course will have to wait and see, but if there is and sanctions are issued then the cabal of Michigan Men who don't care for RR will be empowered even more in their quest to see him removed.
You may be right Terry. But in my mind it would be incredibly counter productive to remove RR. I also think the off season conditioning that some players are complaining about is a very common at most big schools.
That's true Bill but 1. Players from other schools don't seem to be complaining. 2. Drew Sharp indicated on local radio yesterday that the allegations are that Michigan coaches were present during these off season workouts. 3. RR took or destroyed the conditioning records of the WV players when he left....vidictive or covering his cheating ass? Yep. Hell M could barely beat the lowly Hoosiers without getting a terrible call late in the game. After those two wins is was victories over directionals Mich. and Del. St.
With all due respect to my pal Bobda, contrary to what you might expect, I'm not on the sidelines cheering on the demise of the program. Quite the opposite really.....I actually find myself rooting for them and troubled by the current situation. That said, I was never, nor am I now a fan of RR as the HC in AA.....I think him a fine young coach who has a track record of accomplishment in prior jobs but don't believe him to be a good fit from a personality/values standpoint with the buttoned down culture of M men and frankly don't see him being politically savvy enough to survive without a stream of conference titles and BCS runs......If I am wrong, I will be the first to say so, but I don't think so......time will tell.
Well, if Drew Shape said a major violation took place, it must be true. The National Review on Sharp's journalistic ethics:
Sharp indicated that the NCAA inquiry included reports that coaches were present during off season workouts. Isn't there a difference between reporting that "a major violation took place" and "the formal letter from the NCAA included inquiries about coaches being present during off season workouts?" Anyone know that difference between being indicted and being convicted?
Your original quote was Sharp stating that coaches were present during off season workouts. Whether that it is violation depends who the "coach" is. Voluntary individual workouts caanot be supervised by coaching staff members, except that such activities may be monitored for safety purposes or conducted by the institution's strength and conditioning personnel who have department wide duties. Did Sharp identify who the coach was?
I'm just tweaking Bobda here, to tell you the truth ND needs UM to be a strong vibrant program , along with USC, it gives some meaning to the schedule to have your rivals be good.
No my original post indicated what the subject of the inquiry was Sharp did not indicate that coaches were present only that that is one of the subjects in the NCAA's letter to Michigan.
Your post was in reply to Bill's comment that off season conditioning some players were complaining about is common at most big schools. Your response cited Sharp, I thought, to rebut the argument that what was going on was common and indicative of a possible NCAA violation. The rules regarding off-season workouts and the permissible countable hours that a player can participate in football activities during the season are highly technical but clearly spelled out. Coaches can participate in voluntary workouts depending on the duties and role of the coach. The newspaper articles I've read discussed complaints made by several ex and two freshmen players about hours on end spent watching film, being in the weight room, off season workouts, etc. What I have not seen in any newspaper article so far is analysis of the specific rule violated, how it was violated, and by whom. Does the inquiry letter provide documentation of a prima fascia case of a NCAA rule violation similar to the way an indictment lists the facts supporting the argument that probable cause exists to show a crime occurred?
The report is that the NCAA will wrap this up by sometime in Dec. I wonder how they'll get it done that fast?