let's just go ahead and give this POS its own section. The way I see it, there's 2 ways of looking at it. 1. The defensive player initiated the contact and one could make the case that Procise is under no obligation to work himself free. The 2 other WRs could have fallen down and Robinson still would have been wide open because HIS coverage man got caught in the wash inside. Had the 2 WRs simply run slant ins, he would have been even more open. Still, there are those who think it was not a penalty. 2. You think the call is technically correct, and therefore just tough luck. I'm not saying this is wrong, but at the same time, I have a little drill for you. Spend the rest of the college football season and count every single pick play run in which there's clear contact by the non-receiving WR opening the space. Now, in the right column, count every single one that you see called a penalty. For fun, go ahead and watch ESPN Classic, I'll let you count those games as well. I'd bet you wind up with dozens of pages in the left hand column and maybe 1 (tonight) in the right hand column. There's a wildcard to this... I see the boards blowing up saying that penalty was called on Fuller, not Procise. If that's the case, then toss out above and just call ******** because that's terrible. I didn't DVR the game so I can't go back and check it.
and before anyone asks 'Corey, what is your opinion on this call?' I'll tell you. In 1985, I would have said it was a penalty. However, since it hasn't been called then and has become an integral part of offensive design for more than 20 years, I call ********. It was a terrible call.
You'll like this link Corey. http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/19/notre-dame-got-screwed-in-tallahassee-by-the-referees/
And then to have to listen to Fisher pontificate and expound on the integrity of Winston, himself, that collection of social misfits he calls a team and that sham of a university. I have never seen anything like it.
I still remember the Swindle In The Swamp. At that time the Gators and FSU game was refereed by the visiting team. After that game our AD Foley wouldn't have ACC refs at Florida Field any longer. Since then I felt they had done a better job. Tough loss for Notre Dame on a really questionable call.
Seemed to me the call and flag was a bit delayed, but difficult to catch everything on the screen at the same time. I was elated as I thought Notre Dame had pulled it out for a huge win.
I had 17 on the Aggies... worked out as well for me! :wink: While picks are against the rules, as Corey mentioned they haven't been called in known memory unless there is some serious sh!t going on. The call was bogus. I f'ing hate FSU. :x
The one last night wasn't a pick. That was my point in the other thread, I think if the receiver had even attempted to run a route it may have not been called.
The replay shows that an FSU player took his helmet off on the field immediately after the play. The refs admitted they "missed" that infraction. Notre Dame won every single statistical category by comfortable to wide margins except the score. Fortunately for FSU, their "12th man " in the striped shirts saved their bacon.
What would have happened if the FSU kid had been caught with the helmet off? It's a dead ball penalty isn't it, would it have offset the PI call and the down replayed from the original LOS?
I saw similar calls against Florida so many times when Spurrier was drawing up the plays as HBC that I am immune to the controversy when I see it called.
FSU has a history of calls going their way...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ITuAu-W54 And don't forget the no fumble call.....same game.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD4azN7JUxo
Obviously FSU is the only ACC team that could possibly get into the championship playoff. That berth is worth $6,000,000 for the conference of the school qualifying. Just sayin'
So you non-ND fans watch this video...the penalty was called on #7 he is the WR lined up on the outside. I just can't see it. http://m.ndinsider.com/multimedia/videos/video-end-zone-view-of-controversial-notre-dame-penalty/video_84f27a20-57e2-11e4-8871-0017a43b2370.html?mode=jqm
Terry, Again, I don't have a dog in this fight, and they should have called it on #20 but #7 actually did the pick. ???? If it makes you feel better, then live with that. How about the missed blocks, dropped passes and bad patterns. Do yo really think this whole game hinged on one call? And was the call so bad? Who do y'all play next week? :?
Terry, since you asked for a response, when I saw the side view of the play, I thought 7 initiated the contact with the DB. The question I had was whether the foul impacted the outcome of the play since the DB who was supposed to cover Robinson was not, as I saw it, impaired by the penalty and would not have been able to defend against the pass even if no foul occurred. In other words, it seemed akin to calling a penalty against a left tackle for holding when the running play was a sweep to the right. But, from the end zone view, it looks as if the FSU DB jumped into the path of 7 and initiated contact as opposed to 7 initiating the contact. So, on that angle, I do not see a penalty. Agree with KP re 20, it looked to me on the ESPN feed that though contact was first initiated by the DB on him, he did not attempt to avoid contact, per my understanding of the college rule, and responded by blocking the DB. Others certainly may legitimately see it differently . But, again I am not sure that foul impacted the outcome of the play since, IMHO, the DB who was supposed to cover Robinson was nowhere near Robinson and would not have been able to defend against the play even if the two other ND receivers simply stood still after the ball was snapped.
You guys are right, in the end it's was 1 play and no matter if it was called wrong, oh and the refs missed a Alabama player taking his helmet off as well ...but it's over. I'm going to put it behind me. We had our chances, and even if the whole world agree's with ND fans that we were screwed, it doesn't matter, game over, FSU wins. Move on, Navy up next.