I pretty much agree with this article. But I do like watching them and love their field. Sorry Boise State Your Case Is Weak
absolutely terrible article...but we're all entitled to our opinion. No one called them a pretender after beating Oklahoma. I don't know anyone touting Utah as a challenger for the NC this year, but I remember plenty of them laughing at the Utes... until the Utes ground up and spit out Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. Cheap shot, and a cheaper shot coming with the endorsement of a fan whose team found the time to schedule Charleston Southern. I'm sorry, how dare he have the audacity to bitch about his undefeated Utah Utes.. the one loss team that won the title made their name by beating the very same team that Utah trashed. What a straw man. This is the cyber equivalent of the 5 foot tall, 100lb guy standing behind all his big friends screaming 'let me at them.' The BCS Country Club won't let them (or the others) in. They won't play Boise unless those teams come and play them at their field, by their rules, using their refs without so much as a hint at a return trip. And the few that have ventured that way get beat quite often, only to have jackasses like this write it off as a fluke or ignore it all together. The evidence points to the contrary...but why bother with things like on-field results when you got that big land-grant tax payer money flowing in. What about the worst of the Mountain West (Wyoming) beating not nearly the worst of the SEC (Tennessee) in Knoxville? Oh, that's right.. pesky facts are relative to the reader. I could go on but why bother. I wouldn't wipe my ass with this article. It's quite possibly the worst article I've seen posted here.
one final note: If he really believes this, then stop hiding the man behind the curtain.. let's have a playoff and see who really survives?
Oh Corey that comment about Charleston hurts so bad. :wink: :wink: Of course as usual you ignore real facts when making your cheap shots. Oh well maybe not, maybe you really didn't know that the Gators had UCF in that spot but they canceled. Then the Gators tried to schedule some other teams, Utah at the top of the list. None of them came through so the Gators scheduled what was left, Charleston Southern. But hey why let reality get in the way when there's an opportunity to knock the Gators?? Other than that Whitley's article makes more points than your counter points. Whitley by TKO. :wink:
You'd schedule Utah in the swamp with no promise of a return trip.. How charitable of you. If the writer of this article knew the first thing about football in general, he'd see Boise and the teams in that 'category' trying to schedule themselves into a title position and there is so much they can't control. meanwhile, the big boys can try to schedule a championship by not playing anyone worth a darn. If the writer knew the facts, you'd see Boise State playing Oregon State and Virginia Tech next year. That sure doesn't sound like someone who is running from anything. Boise State beat Oregon this year and they beat Oregon at Autzen last year. That's something a great many teams could only dream of doing... but why bother, guys like him just ignore the facts. It reminds me of the post-game comments of Craig James tonight. After South Carolina upsets Ole Miss, he immediately declared that SCAR is a top 15 team.. That's a team that in 2 of their contests this year set offensive football back so far that they damn near had to remove the face masks.. "There's no such thing as an easy game in the SEC".... Laughable.. what is truly funny about this is that the big dog conferences keep getting shots at the NC regardless of the number of losses.. and all they have to do is 'play one great game' and it some how erases the losses they suffered.
It's such a cruel world isn't it Corey? Hey my understanding of the attempt to get Utah is that they wanted to play us, in the Swamp, but couldn't make the necessary schedule adjustments. And yes it would have been really great of us to set them up with such a big payday. :wink: Glad you agree.
Fact: Utah beat SEC West Champ and SEC #2 Alabama quite soundly in the Sugar Bowl. Fact: Next to last place in the SEC East and roughly SEC #6 or #7 Tennessee was beaten at home by tied-for-last place Wyoming, the Mountain West #8 team..(SDSU was #9) But from that, we can draw no comparisons at all. Why even play the games?
Its not a boo hoo session, it's about standing for something...having both character and principle. This "Im just here to get mine" mindset is really not the thing we should be teaching at schools... but it is and we wonder what's wrong.
Since some of the more exciting games we've had in BCS bowls have involved the upsets of BCS conference teams by WAC or Mtn West teams I'm not really too worried about the whole thing. If they get there they get there, if they don't I won't lose any sleep over the whole deal. In my heart I don't believe Boise State could survive a B10, SEC, ACC, B12 schedule like they do a WAC schedule. But it's always a good story.
.....therein lies the problem. Not to pick on you TOK, but the current system is all about what I think in my heart -v- what I have seen evidenced on the field of play. Boise has evidenced they can play with the big boys and Utah's play on the field last year certainly evidenced the same.......we see it, but in our hearts we just don't think they could survive. They should at least have the opportunity to show that what you see is more important than what you feel...... Bill, I agree with Corey. If you really wanted to play Utah, you would have agreed to go for a visit.....until the Gators agree to leave the state for a non-conf game, few are going to take give them much credit for their efforts. Just the way it is.....
Like I said T the problem with scheduling Utah was that they couldn't change their schedule to play us, you and Corey can make it whatever you want that's the facts. As far as giving the Gators no credit if we don't leave the state for non conference games, it is doesn't seem to hurt us when it comes to rankings, making BCS Championship games etc. That's just the way it is and I am fairly sure just the way it will continue to be.
Well Corey I believe you really know that my reference to ignoring facts had nothing to do with what you posted in your last post but was in reference to the Gators playing Charleston Southern and how that came about. I believe you really knew that but are trying to use my remark to change direction. Noting new, as T says, that's just the way it is.
Did UF offer a home-home? I would suspect that an inducement of a home-home with a Gator visit to Provo would have cleared away many a scheduling hurdle. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.....just my opinion.
I don't worry too much about the UF schedule, most years the SEC schedule is going to give them 8 games that are pretty darn competitive. Plus they always play FSU so that's 9 games that they are locked into and the 3 wimpy games they play at home aren't any worse than say Penn States schedule the last couple of years.
I have to agree with Terry. We've had a lot of spirited "debates" over the years about schedule quality. I think we all realize that most conference schedules are pretty competitive and tend to determine who is for real and who was an early season pretender. Can you spell M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I ??? :wink:
I suggest a new Western Conference. 1. Boise State 2. Utah 3. BYU 4. Fresno State 5. Nevada 6. Colorado State 7. Air Force 8. San Diego State 9. TCU 10. UTEP 11. SMU 12. Tulsa That would be a good conference and would deserve a BCS bid.
T, I doubt seriously that we offered a home and home. UCF cancelled either during or after last season and we needed a replacement. I don't even know all the alternatives that we tried but do know there was conversation with Utah and some people thought it might happen. Terry O has it right and I don't worry about out schedule either I leave that to fans of other schools who seem to know always how the Gators should handle things better than the Gators know how. If I were of the same inclination I might advise Corey that Notre Dame might be better off in a conference and advise T that the Big 10 might be more credible if they added a 12 team and had a playoff and they might be much more impressive as a conference if they could win some big bowl games. However living up to my own advice I'll leave that the the schools involved and not hold it against them that they don't follow my thoughts even though they would most likely leave them better off.
The series with 'Cuse obviously didn't pan out to be as significant as when scheduled, but PSU schedules much like we do.....almost always is in a home-home with another major power....recently PSU has the Irish, SC, Nebraska, Miami in home-home series and has Alabama, Nebraska and SC coming up.....the Nits have never been afraid to travel contrary to the misguided perceptions of the right honorable dentist from Houston....... Bill, it wasn't my intent to pull your chain but I obviously touched a nerve. I just thought it a little disingenuous to suggest that you "tried to schedule" Utah.....yes, perhaps you offered them a visit to Gainesville, but if you had really wanted to schedule them, I've gotta believe it would happen.....that said, I will leave it alone.
T, I don't feel like reading back over the whole topic to see exactly what I said about Utah. However my understanding is that both teams wanted to make it work but Utah couldn't make the necessary changes. Make of that what you will. Also your last post about the way Penn State and Ohio State schedule their games isn't that much different than what the Gators do except our home and home is the same team every year, FSU and Miami every so often. As far as not wanting to pull my chain, and I really don't care if you do as I'll respond when I feel like it, however I have to believe that it's a bit disingenuous to say your aren't trying to pull chains then use the word disingenuous to describe my conversation. Again, to the best of my knowledge both Floirda and Utah tried to make a game work this year, I don't believe a home and home is in the mill with anyone in our out of conference schedules except FSU and Miami spread over every few years. I also have to believe you did not really follow how that conversation came about with Corey anyway. According to him my agreeing with that article was a cheap shot on my part because the Gators played Charleston Southern. If you follow that logic then you operate differently than I do.
T, let me make something clear as far as jerking my chain, I have no problem with that at all and no problem with your posts except for your not being able to recognize that Ohio State's scheduling policy's and the Gator scheduling policy are much the same. Eight conference games, a home and home with a good opponent and three games with teams that are not so strong and are not home and home. You just did a home and home with S. Cal and have an upcoming one with Miami. Playing in Cleveland like you said doesn't constitute a home and home and like you said it was in Ohio State's interest to play there. It happens that our one outside of conference home and home is with a team in Florida, FSU, who while down a bit now has been among the strongest teams in the country for many years. The Gators play 7 home games, 4 road games and a game, with Georgia, at a neutral site every year. This season Ohio State plays 7 home games and a neutral field game. Our neutral field game is Georgia who gets half the tickets and is the designated home team every other year. Your neutral field game is Toledo. I'm sure you give them the same perks that Georgia gets every year don't you? Terry O. gets it and has said so many times, Corey either doesn't get it or won't admit it, only he knows for sure. What I want to make clear though is don't worry about pulling my chain, I am perfectly capable of pulling back. I do have to end though by saying it is disingenuous, to hold Penn State and Ohio State up as scheduling different than Florida. You and them do not and I would submit that our scheduling FSU every year if anything is tougher year in and year out than Ohio State and Penn State unless FSU stays down. To somehow think your method is better is in my thoughts disingenuous. :wink: