If you mean go to the BCS Championship game Joel I will have to disagree. I see the race for the 3rd spot coming down to three teams, the winner of the Florida-Arkansas game, the winner of the S. Cal - Notre Dame game and the loser of the Ohio State - Michigan game. By the way, the loser of the OSU-Michigan game getting a rematch would be a nightmare scenario for the winning coach.
I agree with Bill here. The #2 team at the end should come from the group of USC, ND, Florida, Arkansas and the loser of OSU-Michigan. I can see a case being made for any one of those teams, but I just don't see Rutgers as deserving because they beat Louisville at home. That makes no sense. Take a look at the schedule and pick any game day. How about September 16? Rutgers played the Ohio Bearcats. That same day, Notre Dame played Michigan and received their only loss. Also on that day USC played Nebraska, Florida played Tennessee, Oregon played Oklahoma and even Boise State found a tougher opponent than Ohio in Wyoming. If Rutgers played in any of those conferences or played Notre Dame's schedule, they would have at least four losses IMHO.
Fellas, I just don't get it.....if Rutgers runs the table and finishes undefeated with wins over L'ville and WVA they have earned the right to play for the title. WE wouldn't be arguing - I don't think - if this was WVA, right? This was a better WVA team than the one that beat the champion of the greatest conference that the world has ever known last year in the Sugar Bowl....surely our friends from the SEC could not dispute that? We then grudgingly annointed L'Ville because they had defeated the team that had vanquished the champion of the greatest conference the world has ever known. Are we then suggesting that the team that beat them both - the team that beat the champion of the greatest conference the world has ever know and the team that beat them - is any less worthy than either WVA or L'Ville? Nonsense..... All that aside fellas....if we're trying to match up the two best teams in the country for a one game match to crown the national champion, well then that game is taking place this Saturday in Columbus. Anything that comes after is just made for television.....
I think Charlie had a good point in his press conference today. That is that if WVa or Louisville had run the table they would have been in the BCS championship game, the media had deemed them worthy. Now if RU does the same, beating both Louisville and WVa the previously annointed ones...how could you deny them the slot in the NC game? In my heart I don't think they would be undefeated if they played in any other BCS conference, but it's one of those situations where if you are going to deny them the chance when they are 1 of 2 undefeated BCS teams then we really need to trash the system or kick the Big East out of the BCS. One or the other. Terry
You won't get me to agree that a Big East team that goes undefeated should automatically be in the BCS Championship game over a one loss team from the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 or PAC 10. Sorry it is still much easier to go undefeated in the Big East than any of those other conferences. And that is not an insult to Rutgers who have been unbelievable in turning around their program. And in my mind again points out the need for a playoff.
Problem is that if you have a BCS group and by default you say that the champion of the one of the BCS conferences is not good enough to qualify for the BCS championship game then that conference shouldn't even be in the group. The NFL has had this problem in that there was a time that the AFC was so weak that most people felt like the NFC championship game was between the 2 best teams in football and the Super Bowl was nothing. AFC lost something like 10 or more years in a row didn't they? I remember during that time there were calls for seeding of the final 4 teams in the NFL playoffs so that there was a better chance of the top 2 teams meeting in the Super Bowl. Believe me if ND goes 11-1 and doesn't get in to the BCS championship game and Rutgers does I'll be complianing that they don't deserve it over the Irish. But still it makes no sense to say that an undefeated team from a BCS conference is not worthy of being in the BCS championship game. I certainly would understand if there were 3 or 4 undefeated BCS teams, but not when there are only 2. Terry
TOk, I agree 100%....it would be totally absurd for the champion of 1 BCS conference to go undefeated and not get the opportunity to play in the BCS Championship game in favor of the champion of another BCS conference team with one loss.....totally absurd. We know that IN FACT the best of the Big East can beat the best of the SEC and have done so....why should we then argue that the best of the Big East is not deserving a shot with a record that is superior. Absurd....
Buckeye T Then we have a MAN LAW developing here If The Scarlet Knights of the Square Table finish undefeated, The I will be dotted and the game will begin with the two teams dressed in shades of red :!: MAN LAW? jiffer
Man Law! The Big East is a BSC conference just like the others. 12-0 and they should be in. I'm tired of hearing about the SEC.....
Funny When FSU was winning game after game in the ACC (before Miami etc. joined) it didn't keep them from being ranked highly in the polls. Why was beating Duke and Virginia so much more impressive than beating Pitt and Syracuse?
George, I make the same point without even mentioning the SEC, whether you are tired of hearing about them or not. Dick Vitale spoke to the announcers of the Rutgers - Louiseville game, College basketball is miles ahead of football when it comes to determining who is champion. The idea in my mind is to put the best two teams in the Championship game and the teams I mentioned above in my mind go though a much more difficult trip to get to the end of the season and it has always bothered me when some teams have an easier route. And that includes FSU and Miami who both took the easy route on purpose when they joined the ACC and Big East. Now the ACC has been made a tougher conference and the Big East does have several pretty good teams. But in my mind they do not have to go through the gauntlet like some conferences and Notre Dame. See George, no mention of the SEC :roll: :roll: :roll:
Man Law Joel !!! :lol: Still lots of football to be played and plenty of teams which will see loss # 2 essentially eliminating themselves from MNC contention. We had a few knocked out this week so my list is smaller. Florida W. Carolina @ FSU SEC Championship game USC Cal Notre Dame @ UCLA Notre Dame Army @ USC Arkansas @ MSU LSU SEC Championship game vs FLA Wisconsin Buffalo Michigan @ Ohio State Ohio State Michigan Rutgers @ Cincinnati Syracuse @ West Virginia BTW, The Rutgers game had quite a high rating in NY, something like the 5th highest cable rating in the NY metro area.. stunning. 8.1 on the richter scale.. http://www.nypost.com/seven/11112006/tv/rutgers_rocks_espns_world_tv_michael_starr.htm
Where there is even the slightest subjective judgement involved, there is controversy. Even the Big Dance generates controversy in its selection process, albeit nominal in comparison to college football, which is governed by polls run by sportswriters and coaches and computers (GIGO). It's an inherent part of the game. I believe I'm one of 3 persons left in America who do not favor a playoff, but I can feel myself evolving toward the other side. This season is influencing my thinking. I find the argument for an undefeated BCS conference champ being in the final game to be compelling. Any argument against it is based on - you guessed it - subjective judgement. I'm not at all certain that you can make a valid case this season that the best teams in the SEC are better than the best teams in the Big East. The SEC folks claim that their conference schedule is a gauntlet. I would agree most years, but not this season. Not after watching Florida last night. While we are on the subject of subjective judgement, should we call into question the real significance of OSU's victory over Texas after the huge egg laid last night by the Horns? My point is, every argument for every team or conference is based on subjective judgement. The only way to miinimize - not eliminate - the subjective nature of the process is - gulp - a playoff. There. I said it. I'm officially converted.
really <t>srong points Sid. well said.<br/> <br/> oh! Joel, George, BuckT,<br/> <br/> Manlaw!<br/> <br/> Rutgers win and Rutgers in.</t>
Jiffer, Man law it is..... :!: Sid, I agree with you....let 'em play! I can see it now....I would absolutely love to watch the first round game - Florida at Wisky - 2nd week in December! Let's play boys..... :twisted: :twisted: