Is this a trend everywhere or just something the Gators are doing? So far we have 16 verbal commitment and 8 of them are early entries and will start school next week. Two of those are Junior College transfers and the other 6 graduated high school early.
The Irish <t>started doing this recently.<br/> <br/> I believe two of them from this year's class are early entry. T. Robinson and Sean Cwynar are both EE and I read over on NDN that they will room together.</t>
Although you didn't ask me, Bill :wink: , I'll chime in. I don't have a problem with it if kid doesn't mind giving up the spring of his senior year in order to get a head start on his college football AND academic career. If schools like ND and Florida are OK with it, so am I.
well <t>the parent in me says we should let the HS kids go to prom and grow up some more..<br/> <br/> the individualist in me says.. who the hell am I to impose my value set on these kids who want to get into school early and get on with their goals? I think it makes sense for OLs looking to get into the weightroom and dietary program ASAP and skill kids looking to contribute.<br/> <br/> It allows you to count those numbers against the previous year's class which frees up some room. I think for ND, because they don't take JUCOs or have similar ways to combat losses due to defection, its a good thing and something that should be used..perhaps even more often. It also takes away the tactic of that blasted 'phantom silent verbal' in which a kid has been told to remain quiet for one program..and then on LOI day, he signs somewhere else. With this, you get the kid in the system and cut the underhanded angle out.</t>
Sid, the only reason I didn't ask you was because you hadn't responded to that point, things are kind of slow and I thought it was just going to be me and Corey carrying on a private conversation. :wink: :wink: However let me say what do you think Sid? Also say that I agree with both yours and Corey's responses. There is a side of me that thinks we are pushing some of these kids to grow up to fast, but if that's what they want to do then more power to them. I'll pass on something kind of interesting on a couple of our recruits. Two of them Brendan Beal and Will Hill are from New Jersey where they supposedly do not allow early graduation. Beal transferred to a school in Pennsylvania specifically so he could graduate early, Hill did not. However, whether it happens or not, Hill has apparently said he will be here next week to enter UF. I'm intersted in how this one turns out, can a state actually stop someone from going to College if they have enough High School credits?
If a kid is sharp enough to have all his requirements completed by first semester senior year, I think that's great. Quite frankly prom and senior week were fine but let's face it, better stuff is happening on campus. Many kids want a realistic shot of getting playing time as a freshman. Going through spring practice has to help.
I'll tell you what Charlie says...He doesn't advise them to do it, he advises them to enjoy their Sr. year...but he also says that since other schools offer it then Notre Dame needed to offer it as well. ND had resisted the trend based mainly on the way the Freshman year of studies is organized at ND, Sid will have to explain it to you, but it's much different for Freshman at ND. I believe that last 2 years ago was the first time that EE was allowed at ND. Terry
Oh and what do I think...I don't really care, if they want to do it fine, I don't think I'd want to do it but that's just me.
What about this kid, Will Hill, from New Jersey who claims he's going to be an early entree even though N. Jersey doesn't allow early graduation, does he have a case or is he buying trouble for himself and the Gators? By the way I don't know that he is going to attempt what he says and I really wouldn't want a situation that could cost him down the road, but I am interested in some thoughts.
Well that would be interesting, I am aware of NCAA requirements for SAT/ACT, GPA, and Core courses and I always assumed that a high school diploma would also be required. But that would be to be eligible for football scholarship. I guess the Univ of Fla could admit whoever they want though as long as they don't give him an athletic scholarship. I wonder if he'll pay his own way and take the GED if that would satisfy the NCAA. Does seem a bit odd though.
I'm not sure if a diploma is required if all the required courses are taken, or if in fact a State can deny graduation if all qualifications are met. Personally I hope nothing comes of this that either the State allows him to graduate or he stays in school and comes to Gainesville in August.
Bill, Tim Tebow was home schooled right? So does he have a State of Fla HS degree? If so how would he get it?
Terry, the state of Florida has a process set up for home schooled students to be able to get diplomas. In fact they can participate in sports at public schools like Tebow did. I am sure his family followed all the procedures. In Florida, and I'm sure other states, we have a dual enrollment program where good students can attend college, or get college credits at their school, and use those credits for high school and college. We had more than one student that graduated from high school and college at the same time. Whenever I had a dual enrollment student in my class it was almost certain they would be among my better students. Quite a number of those dual enrollment that attended out class were home schooled. Some of the best students I had were home schooled. I used to have a concerned for the social aspects of schooling being missing with home schooling but I didn't find that to be the case either. They have quite a network set up to make their schooling work, even to the point of getting together to have a prom.
I live in New Jersey and don't believe I have ever heard of a kid graduating early. Beal leaving the state to graduate early seems extreme; Hill probably hasn't been going to class anyway. They won't miss him. Just kidding. Maybe. 8)
I hope you are indeed kidding George, Beal is a good student and wanted to start early to come to spring practice. This is my chance to say that Florida does just what Notre Dame does, the admissions department passes judgment on every kid and only ones who are qualified to come to Florida are offered scholarships. Now I'm not naive enough to say that they won't consider the football coaches desires. However we haven't had a signed player not get in school in a couple of years. We have had some we have had to sweat out, but all in all we have a good track record of not over signing and getting our players in school. The comment about him changing schools so he could be an early entree is something I picked up on the internet, I cannot state it as an absolute fact but believe it is true. Here's a link to Beal's bio and a quote from the bio. Brendan Beal
The state <t>can set the terms of completion, at the same time, if a kid has met those terms I don't see how they can keep a kid from graduating early. What do you do about kid genius types?<br/> <br/> I just don't see any way that stands up in a court of law, but I'd imagine many don't decide to fight it till its too late.</t>
Thanks Terry. I agree with Corey, but I hope Hill just does what he needs to do to get in Florida and no fight ensues over this that could hold him up. I imagine nothing will come of it.