Please Ohio State fans don't take this wrong. However I remember many conversations with Buckeye Terry about over signing in the SEC. Well in this article it seems that Urban Meyer has already gone over the 85 limit with existing players and verbally committed players. Please don't get me wrong, I have never had a problem with compensating for players who are leaving. Ohio State Over 85 limit
Stir the pot. I can't comment much because though I read them and read them I can't seem to understand all the rules. But I believe this; B1G still has tougher rules than the SEC. If Urban is pushing the limit beyond what the conference wants they can change them again. Still doesn't change the fact that other conferences have looser rules. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1932727-has-urban-meyers-sec-like-recruiting-pushed-big-ten-to-its-limits http://collegefootball.about.com/od/rulesofthegame/a/Oversigning-College-Footballs-Hidden-Problem.htm
Roster Management 101...get them committed and sort it out later. I wonder if all of those guys he has verbals for are actually qualified academically. That was a classic recruiting strategy in the SEC, so many large and highly ranked classes for SEC schools ended up smaller because they counted players who weren't qualified and the coaches knew they wouldn't qualify but they allowed them to verbal anyway to get a higher ranking in recruiting. Louisville asked a RB from So.Carolina to "grey" shirt ..which means don't show up in Aug 2015, show up in Jan 2016. A legal strategy, Texas has "grey" shirt commit at QB this year and I'm sure there are others out there. This Louisville kid though was blindsided and he's not happy and neither are his HS coaches and his parents. He wants to start in Aug 2015 and is now scrambling to find a school to give him an offer. I'm guessing Louisville has another kid they want in this class and something had to give, so they screw over the kid who's been committed to them for almost a year. Of course that goes both ways with kids flipping at the last moment on schools and leaving them in the lurch. Just another reason we need an early signing period in football.
There's a very sketchy game going on in which coaches are basically counting on guys getting in trouble, quitting or being suspended from school. The problem arises, obviously, when that doesn't happen. At that point in time, some kid gets dicked over and people pull the 'well he's just not working out' card, which I always find to be disingenuous at best. You just don't know how these things are going to work out sometimes. I'll be glad when the guaranteed 4 year scholarship kicks in. I wonder how long it will take the coaches to start lobbying for the right to change the designation of those scholarships to benefit the program (i.e. changing an athletic scholarship to academic, or medical because the kid is not going to play and they want to replace him.)
With regards to Urban and the rules, he's always been very aware of the rules and utilized them to his advantage when ever possible. I doubt that he is doing anything that violates B10 rules, but doing things maybe that other coaches haven't thought about doing. Remember when the Wisc coach accused him of breaking "unwritten" rules about recruiting other B10 teams recruits. To Urban if it's not an actual written rule, then it's not a rule he has to pay attention to. I doubt if Urban has ever knowingly broken a NCAA rule. In fact I'm guessing he knows those rules better than most coaches.
As of this morning we have 25 commitments, but a couple are questionable for tomorrow. If all of the good ones sign, we might end up with 28. Believe Urban will find room. A couple of players have already decided to transfer. I never get too excited about all of this either way. Just keep winning! :wink:
ohhhh I bet he has. There's 3 kinds of coaches from my experience.. Those who act with no regard to the rules Those who stay well away from the boundaries of the rules. Those who know damned well what the rule is and regularly operate just within either side of the line. These are the guys who gives the truth scope. Football has kinda gone the way of hoops in that there's very few guys who are the 2nd anymore. There's this mistaken belief that if you're not pushing the boundaries, you're not pushing hard enough. Now that Urban has established a base, I'd bet he backs away from the line a bit. However, when he got there?? Eh, I'd not be shocked if he took some liberty.
I couldn't care less about his "pushing" the rules as long as he isn't breaking them and he's not using them to the detriment of any kids. If you can't show me either of those things then this is just a lot of ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned.. The quote I posted above would at least indicate that the conference TRIES to monitor why kids fall off the rosters to make sure that kind of stuff isn't happening. If it is happening, it is wrong.
By the way, I would also opine that the Ohio State guys on this board more or less kept their opinions to themselves when this topic broke out a couple of years ago and was kinda critical of the SEC. I could be wrong but I'm not going back to the archives to check on that.
I would say that there has never been an Ohio State guy on this board who was anything other than a great member and fun to interact with. Re: Urban I doubt if you guys ever have to face an NCAA investigation or be sanctioned by either the B10 or the NCAA with Urban. As I said he knows the rules.
Stu, I believe you are completely misunderstanding why I posted this. I have no problem at all with what Urban is doing as far as recruiting. Neither at Florida or now. I simply found it interesting and that is all. I have total respect for the Ohio State posters here. Interesting though that while Mushamp was at Florida the 85 was a hard cap. Last year even though it was known that a player was going to transfer he was not allowed to sign a player that would have put it over 85 on signing day even though it would not have been come fall. I personally find that ridiculous.