Most everybody has some beef with the BCS and wants some form of playoff. I read an article this AM that claimed a plus 1 game after the bowls would be an answer. Mainly this author wants TCU to have had a shot at the BCS title. But one thing I wonder about is how fair will be any playoff if the coaching staffs are being decimated by hirings of other schools. Notre Dames hiring of Brian Kelly who will now not coach UC in the Sugar Bowl certainly has to affect UC's chances of beating UF. UF also has it's own issues as Louisville is going to hire Jim Strong and supposedly Strong will take some staff with him to Louisville. Last year Dan Mullen left the Gators and wasn't around for bowl prep, did return for the BCS game and while the Gators won anyway...what if they had lost? Seems to me that if we go to some sort of playoff the NCAA and the schools have to arrive at some sort of arrangement where coaches and coaching staffs stay in tact till they lose....like the NFL.
Terry, it's Charlie Strong. I'm not sure that you can clearly say how losing their coach will affect Cincinnati, they could come out flat, or they could come out fired up to prove something. But you are right, if there was a playoff the coaching changes could affect the outcomes. I hope we see a playoff in the future. I still believe that using Championship week to narrow the field to 8 teams and using the existing bowl system would work.
Meyer stayed with Utah till they played and won their first BCS Bowl game.....finishing the season at 13-0. Kelly leaves Cinci in the lurch......( which I personally don't have a problem with ). So.....Corey would conclude that Meyer left with no class at Utah while Kelly....as the new Irish coach.....has shown nothing but class when compared to Meyer. Right Corey? 8) ( p.s. I hope your head doesn't explode over this one.... )
I suspect the way coaching changes are done would change if a playoff were put in place. While UC is playing in the BCS, they aren't playing for a MNC. If they were I suspect you'd see Kelly stay in place at least until that was over.
Yeah if I'm hiring a coach and paying him a 7 figure salary and giving him a guaranteed contract for 5 years, then I'm pretty much going to want him on the job ASAP. There is much work to be done. Mack Brown walked on UNC as soon as he got the job. Maybe the kids at UNC were disappointed but the people at Texas were happy that he did as he turned around recruiting in that short time he had before signing day. We had nothing when he arrived and had a pretty good class (based on hs stuff) on signing day. Not to mention many think Charlie by staying with the Patriots till after the Super Bowl shorted himself not just with recruiting but also with building a staff. The staff issue eventually came back to bite him. But as I said it's not just the Head Coaches leaving but also assistants leaving to be head coaches or if not head coaches to join another staff.
Urban's worst recruiting class at Florida by far, was his first one. Of course he decided to show no class by staying at Utah when he was sorely needed at Florida. But that's Urban for ya..... :wink: 8)
They asked Kelly that question at his news conference today and he admitted that the good story would have been him coaching UC through the Sugar Bowl (and wining of course) but that he needed to be at Notre Dame right away. I would agree with him. I feel for the UC kids, but they can do what WVA did when Rodriguez left WVA for UM and go out and play a great game. Nothing is stopping them. But ND needs Kelly on the ground now, building his staff, getting to know his players, getting to know the recruits that Charlie had committed and talking to recruits who have offers from ND and whom he might get to commit to him. Hey Coach Kelly, Matt James on line 1. Terry
For the record Terry you know I agree with you. But.... I suppose Urban gets zero credit from his detractors for staying at Utah and finishing the job there by helping the Utes put on a stellar performance in their BCS Bowl. At the same time Charlie Strong took a very lame duck Fla staff into the Peach Bowl only to get crushed by Da U....especially when not only was there no real head coach but Zook had already taken his offensive staff to Illinios with him as well. UF was terrible on offense in that game.
Well that battle is between Corey and Gator fans. I don't really care what Utah fans/former players think about Urban. I just want to beat his butt someday if we get the chance, I have my own issues with him!! :wink: FWIW I would be happy if either Texas or ND gets to beat his butt, but a year in which both beat his butt or back to back years...now that would be sweet! Also just for the record, I have my issues with Bob Stoops. Since he will continue at OU, I will continue to wish him ill on the football field. Big Game Bob...oh yeah.
One thing I noticed about recruiting these days is that it's not a one year cycle but rather a two year one. Charlie began working on may kids during their junior years. So it wasn't until his 3rd season that he had a full recruiting period. So the sooner the better.
You know, Terry, now that the search process has ended, I need to ask, what was the fascination among ND fans with Stoops? I realize that he is an immensely successful big time coach, but what would he have brought to the table that we won't have with Kelly? I really did not have a preference or a favorite, but I was not at all enamored with the prospect of "Big Game Bob" Stoops as ND's coach.
Two different situations and no... this question isn't as loaded as you think. Kelly was far from a done deal, refused to talk about the situation and was quite candid about it. Urban did the exact opposite. Am I the biggest fan of the way Kelly left? Not at all. At the same time, the moment he takes the job with ND I would assume that UC would render him as a former employee the moment they agreed to the deal. As we have learned over the years, if we are to believe the Florida folks..and St Urban. The Florida deal was a done deal. It was a secret deal done behind the scenes via personal previous relationships that those involved had with one another. There was no Florida coaching search... Urban was the guy. He knew he was out the door. So you're talking about Meyer telling media, players, boosters, families etc he's not going anywhere when in reality, he had already accepted the job. The formality of the reality concluded at the end of the regular season.. But make no mistake about it... there was no Florida coaching search. They had their guy and they got their guy.. Remember the whole, 'poor St Urban was in a lurch... along came ND his childhood dream and what was he to do?" Even ole SOS came calling again and was told to please fill out an application and wait his turn.. that right there should have told you there was no real search. If the greatest Gator of all Gators (pre Tebow).. The man who built Florida football history as a player and then redefined it and elevated it into national prominence as its HC was given the high hat... then there was no search. Can the same be said for Kelly? I don't think so. There was a search. It was a fluid situation. I think there were multiple candidates who were in consideration. While some may have had the lead over others, there were other candidates and contracts to be worked out. I see what you're saying, but going by the accounts of those involved (and assuming they are all telling the truth) you are comparing apples to oranges here. Nice try though.
Weeks before the bowl game Urban accepted the Florida job. I guess the jilted Utah folks had plenty of time and opportunity to make him feel so unwelcome that he would leave before the bowl.....but he didn't. He obviously had the class and cahones to stand with his players.
Yes, and as we've seen Utah is a shell of its former self without St Urban, they never could have done anything like win a BCS bowl game without him. Oh wait....
Nice sidestep....let me try again: "Weeks before the bowl game Urban accepted the Florida job. I guess the jilted Utah folks had plenty of time and opportunity to make him feel so unwelcome that he would leave before the bowl.....but he didn't. He obviously had the class and cahones to stand with his players." 8)
or he had the gumption to collect 2 paychecks from the two jobs at the same time. It isn't a side step at all. I think Utah should have launched him after he said he took the job. I think their admins (who believed Urban when he said he wasn't going anywhere) should have sent him off to his new job and let the guy who wound up replacing him anyway get on with Utah business. Tell me this... how fair was it to those kids at Florida he screwed over by not serving due diligence to recruiting and preparing for the new job that he had actually accepted? Perhaps you don't get smoked 31-3 by Alabama and compete for an NC a year earlier? Oh I know, he still rebounded to win 2 NCs and you guys own the SEC and no longer get thumped by Alabama so things worked out in the end.. Oh wait... You're looking for me to do something that you Gators are absolutely incapable of (and it is something I already did) and that is critique our football coach for the way he handled the transition. I have no issue with him taking the job. I had a bit of an issue with Weis sticking around for the Super Bowl run but I can understand his motive. Kelly was quite candid during the process... to the extent that I wished he would STFU at times. Meyer denied and denied and denied that he was taking the job, even after he knew he was gone. So he stuck around because Utah's Admins were soft enough to let Urban bend them over one last time before he took off to his new job?? (This way, HE is still the hero) As history has shown us, Utah can do just fine without him. Too bad the Admin at Utah didn't have the same faith.
I hope the ND folks are happy, I remember Kragthorpe, Shiano and Rodriguez all being the latest rage. Not so much anymore. Just saying.