Obstructionism?

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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Seems Mr. Trump has continually pushed people in the State Department and in the Dept. of Justice including the FBI to toe his Trump company line even if it's possibly over the line and potentially illegal and now Special Prosecutor Mueller is soon to bring it all to the forefront as a possible case of obstruction of justice.

    It may be a huge deal ultimately to Trump's presidency or it may give him some relief.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/politics/mueller-investigation-analysis/index.html

    You know being evasive and not forthcoming about your personal life as it relates to a civil case is one thing..... but it's a whole different animal that should fully alarm every true American to think that our democratic process could be influenced directly by a foreign government and then subsequently high level leaders in our government would possibly do everything in their power to obstruct such an egregious action.
     
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    I don't suppose that you've heard or read anything about the conspiracy in the FBI involving Strzok, his mistress Page and their co conspirator "Andy" McCabe. You probably haven't heard that a so called Trump dossier is the primary reason that the Mueller probe started and that FISA warrants were issued based on it allowing Obama administration officials to spy on the Trump campaign. And of course the Trump dossier is a complete fabrication. When are you morons on the left going to face reality that this whole special investigation is just another of the unethical and illegal tactics that you assholes use when you can't win at the ballot box. I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller is in the middle of this cesspool of FBI conspirators and he could end up in jail.
    It's time to end the COLLUSION DELUSION.
     
  3. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    I think soon that and other truths will come out.

    Trump sure does work awfully hard to remove those who don't stand and drink his coolaid in his Jonestown when the going gets tough even though he hand picked most of them.
     
  4. Terry O'Keefe

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    What are Democrats going to do when after years of investigation and hysteria that they can't pin anything on Trump.
     
  5. JO'Co

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    :roll:

    Not only is the Trump dossier a complete fabrication, it was intentionally fabricated and paid for by the Clinton campaign...

    What is being uncovered here is the "Deep State". Obama and his Chicago Machine cronies embedded their operatives in the FBI, Departments of Justice; State; Interior and the IRS, so that their policies would continue no matter who was elected. It's the beginning of American fascism and it's already here in California...
     
  6. George Krebs

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    It takes a special individual to look at the progress this president has made economically and in border security and still play the part of the victim.
     
  7. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    The latest polls:

    "In a series of hypothetical 2020 one-on-one contests Trump trails Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by a 55% to 42% margin among registered voters. He lags further behind former Vice President Joe Biden by a wide 57% to 40% split, and trails television personality Oprah Winfrey by a 51% to 42% divide.

    The potential broad margins for the Democratic 2020 matchups are shaped by winning over some core groups that cast ballots for Trump in 2016, including white women and whites with a college degree. Trump leads among whites without a degree, though it's cut to just one-third of his gaping 2016 margin. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 2 percentage points in 2016 but lost in the Electoral College."

    The disclaimer.... Trump has an extremely solid base with the no college degree pick-up truck gun totin bunch and using that base as a springboard combined with his Russian buddies influence and the ruthless skill of GOP strategists at discrediting and disparaging the Democratic nominee he has em right where he wants em in winning the electoral vote in 2020.
     
  8. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I see that John Kerry is considering a run for Pres, again, in 2020. But currently is trying to undermine the President in the Middle East by telling the Palestian leadership not to yield to Trumps demands.

    As far as 2020, Hillary needs to run again, after all she'd have won if it wasn't for the Russians! She's earned! :roll:
     
  9. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    I have decided that no matter what the polls say.... no matter how many voters he loses between last election and 2020..... this guy in the Whitehouse now is truly Teflon Don.... the biggest scammer in political history and on whom no misdeeds or misspoken bumbles can be attributed to because he has successfully discredited just about any news source that exists save for those right wing ones that give him favor and agree with every lie he tells.

    It's the way we have evolved somehow.... this country of ours.... deceitful, dishonest and noncaring isolationism with a maestro at the helm who can't be pinned down and defeated no matter the significant popular public opinion against him.
     
  10. Motorcity Gator

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    Meanwhile.... as Trump has gouged and denigrated every American institution like the FBI, the State Department, the EPA etc. etc. he most assuredly will disavow any merit to this story:

    "The Doomsday Clock - signalling how close the world is to an apocalypse - could edge closer to midnight today.

    Scientists will issue an update at 3pm today - and as tensions increase between US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un the clock could come as close as we've ever been to the end of the world.

    Last year, experts put the time at two-and-a-half minutes to midnight with most of the blame pinned on Donald Trump's election.

    The closest the world has ever come to the predicted doomsday was in 1953 when the clock was set to two minutes to midnight following America's first test of the hydrogen bomb"
     
  11. George Krebs

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    Tell us, Dave. How would you deal with Kim?
     
  12. Motorcity Gator

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    It looks more certain that Trump will be exposed for obstruction of justice.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-answer-to-whether-trump-obstructed-justice-is-now-clear

    But his Bubba voting base in the red electoral states who also employ those in the House of Reps who would not impeach him will support him regardless of his obstructing the truth about Russians interfering in an election to get him elected.
     
  13. Stu Ryckman

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    What a crock...

    A couple of months ago all the pundits and experts were arguing whether or not Trump could legally fire Mueller...and would he do so...they were practically begging him to do so, wanting to find another thing to throw a tantrum about.

    He didn't do it...now it's "obstruction of justice" because he may have thought about it. Oh, Lord he may even have talked about it.

    The article presumes that if he did consider it, the reason would have been because he was afraid of Mueller and what he might find (ignoring the fact that another special prosecutor would have been appointed anyway and the investigation would have proceeded onward).

    It's NOT obstruction of justice if he wanted to fire Mueller (and if he had the legal right to do so) for the sole reason that the whole thing pisses him off.

    I'll leave it to the legal folks (thought it now looks as if the legal and investigative arms of our country have bias as well)...and you can go back to your salivating over New Yorker articles.
     
  14. gipper

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    Comey's FBI and Mueller's investigative team was and is full of corrupt, Hillary loving, Democratic partisans. Getting rid of that debris isn't "obstructing" justice it's championing justice. Because you must listen and read only the left slanted media, I doubt whether or not you've even heard about how bogus the whole investigation of Hillary was. Comey was drafting a statement exonerating her before she was ever interviewed and one of his corrupt agents had to edit his statement because it had damning language. Obama filled the justice department and intelligence agencies with partisan political hacks who lied to the FISA court to obtain warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. That is much worse that a two-bit break in into Democratic campaign headquarters that the media latched onto for months during Watergate.
    No doubt that the "bubba" in this country know more about what's going on that the intellectual heavyweights that elect the Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosis of the world.
     
  15. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know....10th grade educations are underestimated.
     
  16. George Krebs

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    I never realized that you are such an elitist, Dave. But I never realized that Democrats in general were so steeped in racism either until recently.
     
  17. Motorcity Gator

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    George.... It's the pandering that I despise.

    How rich elite white dudes ever were able to position themselves as the leaders of poor white rural Americans is beyond me.
     
  18. Stu Ryckman

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    Maybe a 10th grade education helps you understand the definition of "pandering"...seems to me to define the Democrat party.