This news could only be described as shocking.... By Joe Schad ESPN.com June 1, 2009 Florida Gators starting cornerback Janoris Jenkins was arrested over the weekend and charged with fighting and resisting arrest without violence, police in Gainesville, Fla., confirmed. Police used a Taser on Jenkins, who punched someone in the head after being told not to. The incident occurred at closing time near a bar in downtown Gainesville. Jenkins was named to the Freshman All-SEC team last year and become the second true freshman in school history to start at cornerback on opening day.
This has been making the rounds. It's Urban's 24th player arrested since he took over at UF. Granted most of them were the unruly conduct/drinking stuff, but during the same period of time ND had 6. Will Yeatmen ....driving a golf cart drunk. Jimmy Clausen....driving a legal adult to buy liquor Mike Golic...some sort of MIP Rashon Powers-Neal...DUI A DL named Hand ...solicitation Demitrus Jones ...possesion of MJ, which was later dropped because it was a borrowed car (uncle) who had left it in the glove compartment. He was able to convince the DA that he had no idea it was in the car. So really that is 5. I don't know how many Texas has had since Jan/Feb 2005 when Charlie and Urban took over. But some of them were much more serious, guns, burglery and possesion of hard drugs amongst them.
I was not adding my 2 cents into the conversation. I simply posted a link rather than having to call George down for not doing so. :wink:
I know the feeling too well unfortunately....... I understand the concept of totalitarianism and the repression of speech more than ever after last December. :x
Wait a minute Terry, those 24 that are making the rounds about the Gators include several who's charges were dropped, so to say Notre Dame only had 5 is comparing apples to oranges. Leave it at 6 and the ratio for Gators to Irish is 4 : 1 . I guess that it's a good thing that Urban didn't go to South Bend. :wink: :wink:
Yeah.....he would be run out of town if he ran such a loose program at ND... :lol: 8) Meyer is a no nonsense guy so maybe that's why these players are getting in trouble with him.....because he doesn't tolerate it. That's good enough for me.
Say what??? Uh Dave the 24 were arrested by the Police not Urban!! As far as the number of Gators vs the number of ND players arrested I'm going to guess it's a culture thing. We probably do get a little higher character of kid due to our academic screening, plus our campus culture is probably less tolerant of that sort of behavior where as the UF campus culture is probably a little more wild and party oriented and that sort of behavior is more accepted.
I don't think it is campus culture as much as it is the background of these kids coming in. The players that get into trouble typically didn't learn that behavior on the UF campus. Also...without getting into an exhaustive list of specifics by and large if you break down those 24 players and their offenses I don't think you are going to see that Urban "turned a blind eye" toward any sure fire screw-ups or individuals with known criminal records etc. etc. when he was recruiting them. Most of the offenses are the results of youthful ignorance and typical of young kids that get in trouble more so than a bad guy plying his criminal trade. If what you are saying is entirely true Terry then UF is signing up players that Notre Dame wouldn't or didn't take. I highly doubt that there are many players on UF's roster that Weis wouldn't take in a heartbeat.
I'm sure there are more than a couple that Weis wouldn't recruit, but that wouldn't be the point. I think if you transported the entire Gator team to ND you would have much fewer problems with them both academically and off the field. Different environment.
I have been to South Bend and I am pretty certain that African Americans can find plenty of places to get into trouble there. Downtown Gainesville....downtown South Bend.....probably similar. Frat parties...girlfriend troubles.....not so different I'll bet between the two campuses. I will say that ND probably takes less student athletes who are not focused on academics on their team than does UF but that number would be very small in my opinion and it's most likely this group that does get into trouble more often.
I don't think Terry is pointing his finger specifically at Florida's campus culture. I believe that the distinction he is making involves any large state school, especially in the southern "warm weather" region, vs. a small private school in the midwest. Many highly ranked HS student athletes would not even look at ND because of its location and its campus culture, especially after they've seen life at places like Florida, Georgia, etc. Nowhere is the term, "different strokes for different folks", more true than in recruiting.
Dave, just a few years ago, you were beating down Tennessee for taking kids with questionable backgrounds.
Correctomundo... In fact I mentioned my alma mater as well with regards to athletes in trouble. But the Gators are the ones currently getting the negative publicity. I wonder if the guys over on EDSBS (Every Day Should Be Saturday) which is a Gator Blog will rename the Fulmer Cup the Meyer Cup?
I will note that Gators who have had problems with the law have had more serious problems than the few ND players who have mostly had MIP type of problems. Gators have had weapons charges, assault, assault with an automatic weapon, numerous drug charges, battery, violation of restraining orders, using stolen credit cards of the recently deceased, violation of probation... it's quite a list in the Meyer tenure. Was it any better under Zook and/or Spurrier than the last 4 years under Meyer? I'm going to guess that it was pretty much the same under Zook and Spurrier. If so that would strengthen my point that it's endemic in the system and not really Meyers fault.
And I don't think what is happeneing is any worse and maybe not as bad as the situation existed under Spurrier or Zook. And while Florida may be getting some bad pub it is certainly no worse at UF than it is at most high profile schools. Keep in mind that the Gators are the ones getting a huge percentage of good publicity also. The Gators are in the limelight big time.