Notre Dame Summer.

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  1. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Well Graduation is this coming weekend, and lacrosse is out of the NCAA tournament with a 1st round loss.

    ACC track championships are over and a few ND tracksters will be moving on to the NCAA's. Womens Softball is in the NCAA's, Women's Golf made the regionals but that was as far as they went. Men's tennis made the NCAA's but lost to Mich in the 2nd round. Solid year for most Irish sports teams, except for baseball which I hope gets a new coach for the 2019 season.

    ISD is doing a count down of the top players in the Charlie Weis era, always interesting to revisit and remember some of those guys, while trying to forget Chollie Cheeseburger. :)

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    I think it's a pay article though.

    Not much going on with recruiting right now, staff is out visiting and more offers are out there. Still no word on whether or not the QB from Kansas, Graham Mertz, will make a visit. He's a Wisconsin verbal. There is a kid from Texas, Maverick McIvor, who reportedly will get an offer if Mertz can't be flipped.

    Still waiting on that 4th OL to drop, Zeke Correll out of Ohio is the most likely but he's also a Ohio State target so it's not a sure thing. There are some others who the staff likes very well, Saleem Wormley from Georgia is a kid who they would love to have. Would take 5 OL's if both Correll and Wormley would come.

    I guess after graduation the kids will get a few weeks off before returning to campus for summer classes and workouts. Still nothing about Dexter Williams other than rumors.
     
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    I think Central Florida has already claimed the men's NCAA golf championship. They said they don't need any stinking tournament. Nice parade too. :wink:
     
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    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Pre-Shea Patterson being eligible at UM, the Irish were 2 pt favorites at home now that Patterson is eligible they are 3 point underdogs at home.
     
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    That's a pretty swifty swing in my opinion?
     
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    According to CFU there's no reason for having the NCAA golf tournament, they'll just wait for a committee to vote on a champion.
     
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    Gipper, they don't have to wait for a tournament or a vote. They will just declare themselves champions. Nice rings too.
     
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    Pot. Meet. Kettle.
    https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...t-national-titles-with-some-sketchy-counting/

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/1/3/16842584/ucf-national-championship-claim
     
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    Very good Sid. Maybe we should have played for ties that year. :wink:
     
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    And all those other years, too? :D
     
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    Well why do they play the games if winning every one doesn't mean anything?
     
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    Gip, I think winning every one of them means a lot, but so so does who you play. Are you saying that the team with the better record should always be ranked higher?
     
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    KP these days it very difficult to go undefeated in a 12 game season. If a team manages to do that shouldn't they at least have a shot at playing for the championship? Why should they have to play some pushover in a bowl game?
     
  14. Terry O'Keefe

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    It is difficult to go undefeated ..but let's look at the UCF schedule.

    FIU
    Maryland
    Cincy
    Memphis
    E.Carolina
    Austin Peay
    Navy
    SMU
    UConn
    Temple
    USF
    Memphis (again)
    Auburn.

    So while that is a fair schedule for UCF, it's not a daunting schedule and who between Alabama, Georgia, OKlahoma, and Clemson would you dump from the playoffs so that they could play? All of those teams played much tougher schedules. It's like when BYU was undefeated and beat a .500 Michigan team for the Nat'l Championship. They were undefeated...but ...

    Now if you expand the playoffs to 8 teams then I would have supported them getting the call, but they weren't better or more deserving than any of the 4 teams in the playoffs.
     
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    Gipper, may the should have, but they they didnt. Do you think that the final record should be the determining factor for inclusion in the playoffs?
     
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    KP
    They won their conference championship
    They went undefeated
    They beat Auburn
    The national champion couldn't do any of those things.
     
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    So are you saying no team that doesn't win a Conf Championship should be included in the playoffs? Probably not, but would you put your money straight up on UCF in a 1 game playoff with Alabama and UCF? Probably not.

    So you go undefeated vs a mediocre schedule, win a mediocre Conf championship and then beat a good Auburn team in the bowl and you deserve the Nat'l Championship?
     
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    Gipper, So I guess the answer to my question is yes. By your reasoning the final four would have been UCF, Alabama, Wisconsin and probably South Florida based on records only. Good for you?
     
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    So you're saying that even if a team doesn't qualify to play for its own conference championship should play for the national one?
    Why the hell do we play games during the season? Let's take a vote in Aug. and have the championship game Labor Day weekend. If you want we can play the rest of the meaningless games the rest of the fall.
     
  20. Terry O'Keefe

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    Well going back to the Prodigy Days I have always been a proponent of the Best Teams get into the Best Bowls, and now the Playoffs. I have always been against the auto bid to Conference Champions. I am still against the Auto Bids to Conference Champions.

    So looking at the whole season in 2017, to me at least, it was clear that Alabama was one of the 4 best teams in college football and deserved the slot in the playoffs. Who would you have put in the playoffs over Alabama? 2 loss Ohio State? Wisconsin another 1 loss team, or UCF who while undefeated played in a mediocre conference and played a mediocre schedule.

    The fact that they beat Clemson and then Georgia for the Championship, to me at least validates their inclusion in the playoffs. They were, based on the whole season, not one game, IMHO one of the 4 best teams.

    Expand the playoffs to include the top 8 teams, or even better the top 16 teams and then have a NFL style playoff. Ditch the bowls completely, whatever. But right now I want the 4 best teams based on their body of work for the whole season, not a single game. Consider schedule, consider MOV, all that stuff.