Man there has been so much drama around Jimmy Clausen it's unbeliveable. Todd McShay hates him, Mel Kiper loves him. I saw an article that said he hurt his standing with the telvised interview with John Gruden where they were watching film and Clausen said Floyd didn't run the right route, they said that showed poor form, said he threw Floyd under the bus...I don't. So much Clausen stuff that people have forgotten about Tebow, but there are the rumours that Buffalo likes him and today I saw that the Vikings like him. Going to the Vikings and playing behind Farve (if he comes back) would be good for Tebow. They are an excellent team and he wouldn't have to be a franchise savior. If Jimmy Clausen had Tim Tebows demeanor and reputation he'd have been the #1 overall draft pick not Sam Bradford. I predict Bradford will be a failure, sadly, he is a good kid. I just don't think OU QB's are ready for the NFL and he'll go to a crappy team with no WR's.
Ah yes, the season highlight for the Lions. All signs point to them taking Suh after St. Louis takes Bradford. I see where Clausen is not going to NY for the bling festival. Probably because of the way Quinn was covered a few years ago. While Quinn hasn't had much of a career, Jamarcus Russell has been a complete bust. Bust for bucks there's no comparison.
Seems like Tebow's and Clausen's stock went in opposite directions. I don't understand it all. But I am a fan of Tebow's, which I am sure will come as a surprise to all of you.
Absolutely stunned that anybody would take Tim in the 1st round. As I've said before he's obviously a class kid and I wish him well, but he won't even experience the success that David Carr and Joey Harrington had as 1st round draft choices.
You've been very consistent with that George and I really hope you turn out to be right. Terry has been very consistent and honest with his opinion about Tebow also and I respect that. I just hope he turns out to be wrong.
Hey Gipper!! What's all the talk like about SUH? You know that if they somehow could finagle a trade with Pitts and get Roethlisberg.....that team could beat and rape the **** outa anyone... Me and the kids just ordered our Lions shirts for the season.....we're going to pull for the orginal old guard member that hasn't been to the show yet...
I said Tebow would be gone by the end of the second round. I guess I was too conservative. Glad to see it. Also glad to see all the TV yackers and others scratching their noggins, as if they know more than the organization who chose him. Heh-heh.
When I look at the history of Fla QB's even the ones with great college careers as passers like Danny Weurfel, Rex Grossman, and Shane Matthews, they were all journeymen QB's at best. Tim is a great athlete and a great kid and I think everybody figures that his work ethic will overcome all the flaws he had as a QB in the Meyer system. It hasn't worked for Alex Smith, who was also trained by Urban and was and exciting and very successful in the Meyer system as a QB, and from what I've read Smith is a very intelligent kid with high character and work ethic. Andre Ware was talking about how Tim will be the first person at the Bronco facility everyday and the last person to leave and nobody will out work him. You can say the same thing about Brady Quinn, who was always the first guy out to practice and the last guy to leave at ND and I assume the Browns, he worked out religously in the off season. But so far nada, zip, nuttin has come from that. Whatever flaws Brady has can't be fixed by being a hard worker. Same for David Carr who also was a high character kid, already had a beautiful wife (Carr is a mormon) and a couple of kids when he arrived at the Texans. He was a model citizen, he just wasn't a NFL starter. I stated earlier I would like to have Tebow on the Texans but as a 3rd round pick, and let him work at being a Qb for a couple of years and see what happens, then move him to H-Back or TE. Maybe even see if he can adapt to those positions as a rookie along with working at QB, sort of like Pittsburgh did with the QB they called Slash (kid who that pass against UM from Colorado). As far as Clausen goes he just needs to use this as motivation and work that much harder to prove his critics wrong. Joe Montana was not a 1st round pick and he is arguably the greatest QB in NFL history.
Terry Baker Gary Beban Heath Schuler David Klingler Ryan Leaf Rick Mirer Akili Smith Todd Marinovich Dan McGwire Art Schilchter Cade McNown Steve Pisarkiewitz Jim Drukenmiller Jerry Tagge Andre Ware Jeff George Todd Blackledge Chuck Long Matt Leinart Lot of bad decisions on 1st round draft choices as QB. I also don't think Sam Bradford will be the next Peyton Manning.
Excellent point. I wonder if - had the media coverage then been what it is now - the ESPN cadre would have been talking about Montana "slipping" out of the 1st round. Come to think of it, I wonder if Mel or Todd would have had him going in the 1st round. I have a theory. Clausen is glad he did not get drafted in the first round. It means that Erin Andrews will be hanging out at his home for one more night. :lol:
First of all Terry you left Joey Harrington off your bust list. Second Favre was a second round pick if recall and Unitis and Brady were even later in the draft. Somebody explain why Denver bothered to trade for Quinn if they were going to draft Tebow in the first round.
For a long time the NFL prototype at QB has been the 6'5" cannon armed QB. That was not Joe, he was a very accurate QB and of course like Tebow a proven winner and leader. But Joe had the footwork, played in a good throwing system, worked under center, etc. Just didn't have the size that makes NFL GMs slobber and pick you in the first round. Tom Brady was a late pick as well.
Nobody is talkng about Colt McCoy, Colt is another kid who is accurate but hasn't shown the arm strength that they want to see in a NFL QB. I don't know where he'll go, but he will have the same problems as Tebow adapting to the NFL. I wouldn't be suprised to see him drop to the 3rd round. Although Mel Kiper says the Browns will take him in the 2nd round.
I think Quinn or Tebow could be traded before the draft is finished. Also, here is an excerpt from a story on Clausen from Blue-Gold Illustrated. It was an expensive night: Maybe the Hummer limo entrance wasn’t such a good idea after all. For that one lasting image from 2006 may have cost Jimmy Clausen way more Thursday night than the rental fee. Perception met reality during the first round of the NFL Draft when all the speculation that Jimmy Clausen’s personality would hurt his draft stock came to bitter fruition when 32 picks came and went without Clausen ever hearing his name. Not unlike Brady Quinn’s draft slide in 2007, Clausen became the top story of the night, for all the wrong reasons. Clausen should be one of the first names called off of the board to start day two. Fair or not, a couple of questionable incidents in college, the huge hype that followed him from high school, and the irreversible immaturity stigma, made it difficult for Clausen to market himself during pre-draft evaluations. Clausen’s pro-day workout at Notre Dame and his meetings with various NFL teams all reportedly went well. Yet for whatever reason, reluctance ruled on Thursday night. Ironically, the first round of the NFL Draft came exactly four years to the day from when the Clausen clan rolled into South Bend in the stretch limo to announce they were coming to Notre Dame. “When he showed up in the limo, talk about a little innocuous thing, people made a big deal about it and it has kind of been perpetuated over the years,” said NFL Draft analyst Scott Wright, president of NFLDraftCountdown.com. “He just developed this reputation, right or wrong, as a cocky, entitled, spoiled kid. People go into meetings with him with that preconceived notion, and they read everything he does through those glasses. He’s a victim of perception becoming reality.” Based on salaries and contracts from the 2009 draft class, Clausen’s drop from out of the top ten and into the second round probably cost him more than $30 million on his first contract and at least $25 million in guaranteed money. http://www.blueandgold.com/
What horsepucky... BTW I don't think Tebow will be traded, maybe Quinn, but not Tebow. There is one situation that I think Tebow can excell at and do so pretty quickly is goal line offense. With his speed and power combined with being able to pass he'll be an excellent goal line qB in some version of the Wildcat. I could see him getting in to games in that situation and succeeding right away.
Terry, I will agree with you about 3 of the 4 Gator QB's. There is no doubt in my mind that Grossman getting knee injuries before both his first and second seasons affect his ability as a QB. You may not agree, but I think he would have been productive otherwise. You also left off John Reeves who was less than stellar.