NCAA Trouble for Saban?

KP, I was wondering if you could enlighten us about how the Tide fans feel about this report: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2009/feb/15/higgins-more-just-bump-saban/

I'm not calling Saban out by any means as that would be a bit like the pot calling the kettle black with the WELL PUBLICIZED reports of SECONDARY violations out of Kiffin and Co. but I'm just curious as to how serious this situation with Bama is. What kind of consequences could occur if it is proven that Saban did, in fact, contact this kid in spite of NCAA rules that coaches can't contact juniors before National Signing Day of the previous class.

 

I am certain of the censerity of Aquila when he says:

... and that goes double for me. I don't get off on other's problems like two other people here do. However, I don't mind discussing issues like this with people that are in the same boat. What are your thoughts KP?

 

Good luck with this guys.

ND just received a commitment from a kid who never visited the school.

Florida has walked away from far stinkier situations than this recently. The initial media accounts of that kid from CA with his gf clearly indicated NCAA violations, but once the actual investigation came around... stories and accounts were different so there was no violation committed...

Now before this gets all the piss and vinegar up with the Gators.. the last accounts to come out might have been the true ones. To me, it doesn't matter. It did kinda stink that the kid says one thing to a reporter off the cuff, and then later seems to change his story... but from the Gator side, they could always say it was a California news reporter with an agenda (which gets a lot of mileage in the South, but would be met with chuckles in CA)

All that being said, the kid's HS coach is calling bullsh*t on the whole thing

Read it here

 

Nothing in the link on UF....details please.

 

because it isn't about UF Dave

The link is to the kid's HS coach saying the claims by the Memphis paper are bunk

The UF stuff was all last year and is old, dead news.

I was using UF's situation as an example of early media reports that seem really damning...but then the investigation comes around and its a whole lot of nothing.

 

This is the first I've heard about it. It would kind of take the heat off of Kiffin wouldn't it. I guess we'll find out won't we. You know its funny how many people are worried about the other guys. Well at least we have some consistancy. Kiffin calls out Meyer, now the Knoxville papers are calling out Saban. I'm telling you Miles is going to get jealous.

Now Aquila, Tom,
What are your thoughts on the kid's coaches comments?

 

If anything at all comes of this, and I doubt it will, it won't be anything more than a secondary violation.

But some things are as sure as the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

• The two Gators will love to find things wrong with Tennessee
  
  Corey will always find a way to drag Meyer and the Gators in while using words like stinkier while all the while insisting that what the Gators do don't matter to him.:roll:
  
  :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
  

 

Sadly, just on the heels of this...

NCAA INVESTIGATES NEBRASKA

 

Sorry about that AJ, but given the recruiting advantage it gives the Huskers over the Longhorns I just had to do it! :wink: :wink:

 

Actually Bill ..... you've got it wrong .... and I see the sun is rising as well .... but go ahead and take your cute "digs" at others ;^) What you do not get or can't admit ... is this is not an issue about "UT" .... but rather a pathological liar who was, less than 3 months ago, an unemployed football coach, terminated from his last job for cause. I'd have the same gripe if it was Saban or Miles or Richt or Mullen erroneously calling Meyer a cheat.

I had no problem with eLane Kiffen, until his erroneous claims of Meyer's cheating ..... when Kiffen was in fact guilty of NCAA recruiting violations .... AND ..... for Meyer doing something that WAS NOT a violation. Of course the unintended irony in all of this is Kiffen's own staff was also "guilty" of calling recruits while they were on official visits to USCe.

 

JesusHfrigginKeyrist Bill.

I used the UF incident as it was clearly the most like the accusations tossed at Alabama here, as well as the most recent.

Can you think of another incident involving a high profile team in the blast furnace of SEC recruiting that was called out by an out of town newspaper for cheating, only to have the whole thing blow over by the time the actual hearings came around? Let alone within the past 12 months?

As I said, it will blow over just like it did for UF. It is just too hard of a thing to prove.

 

Now... if you object to my usage of 'stinkier' than you can tell me if this passes the smell test:

This was my point.. While on the surface it may seem fishy, you'll never be able to prove it. Even a digital recording of the interview wouldn't matter because she flat out changed her story. Something similar could happen here, assuming that the accusations of the Memphis paper are true.. which remains to be seen.

It is what it is... move on, nothing to see here.

 

Ain't that the truth.

I would say we have had more to worry about from Bama and Ga in the last couple of years than we have Tenn.

As I said in an earlier post...I am an EOE, equal opportunity evaluator and no team, coach or anyone else in college football is immune from my opinions.....be it FSU, Bowden, Mickey Andrews, Notre Dame, PennSt (where is Curtis?), bad/crooked referees, Tenn, Fulmer, Kiffin, Georgia, Georgia fans on Skybox, The U and Gonzo, Bama, the SEC good ole boys in general, Ohio State, PAC-10 football, Big 10 football, Ron Zook and even Urban Meyer when his offense wasn't working.

How can you single out Tenn out of all of that controversy?

 

The sun still rises in the East and sets in the West.

 

Yes it does.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3232772

Hey IC .... the big difference here is Urban Meyer didn't acuse another coach of cheating while he recruited Moore. Also, the bottom line is the matter was investigated and cleared by the NCAA ..... regardless of what folks what to opine without any factual basis for doing so. :wink:

 

And grows CORNHUSKERS in the middle.

 

Gaterz,

The factual basis is that they gave one report to the media.. admitted they made that report, but also admitted it was an exaggeration. The story changes by the time the investigation rolls around... no story.

The SEC is just so insane year-round with recruiting, back stabbing and high drama... I don't even see either of these stories as real 'stories'

 

This topic is a great example of why we have to have moderators on this site. I open up a topic for discussion and I was even clear that I wasn't calling out Saban and certainly not calling out Bama fans or any other fans since Kiffin and nearly all coaches have secondary violations reported nearly every year. I just was wondering what the prevailing sentiment in Bama was about the allegations and I was wondering if anyone knew how serious this situation could be if it was proven that Saban committed a violation. It didn't take very long for this to turn into an assault somehow on Lane Kiffin although the subject matter had nothing to do with him. Worse yet, Gaterz and MCG begin to feel as though they must defend Urban Meyer as well and neither of my original questions have really been answered.

KP, I think the coach responded the way he needed to. I'm not sure if this is just a deflection of attention off Kiffin.

 

So Corey .... you're saying that this was yet another erroneous assertion that Urban Meyer committed a violation of NCAA recruiting rules. Someone claimed he violated the rules .... an investigation ensued and no violation was found.

Back to the claim Saban violated "contact" rules .... if shown he did, he's probably told he can't recruit the guy to Alabama.


Aquila ..... if you didn't want any discussion of the topic vis-a-vis "the WELL PUBLICIZED reports of SECONDARY violations out of Kiffin and Co"..... well then why did you raise the subject of "the WELL PUBLICIZED reports of SECONDARY violations out of Kiffin and Co".

:lol:

And FWIW ..... my intial post was in response to the ridiculously unwarranted and profoundly subjective comments by two of this boards moderators .... again stating that my previous comments on the aforementioned matter were about Lane Kiffin - a guy with no ties to any school in the SEC just 12 weeks ago.

Be happy!!!

 

I think it's pretty clear in my post why I raised the issue of Kiffin's reported secondary violations when I said: