Just like I long suspected....Cheney not Bush directed the drive to war with Iraq: "Wilkerson claimed that Powell was misled by Cheney and the CIA's director of central intelligence, George Tenet, before giving his key address on Iraq to the United Nations, during the run-up to the war. "[Cheney] had been out there [to the CIA] a dozen times to put his personal imprint on George Tenet, John McLaughlin and others so that they would know positively what he wanted, and what he wanted was war with Iraq," Wilkerson said." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44337958/ns/us_news-security/?GT1=43001
Another wacky conspiracy theory? OK. You are not for one moment suggesting that Bush had less chops for the job than this idiot who now occupies the WH, are you? The fact that his father was his mentor doesn't count, right? Cheney was the most powerful human being who ever lived. He was able to mislead presidents, Secretaries of State, an entire Congress, miliatry commanders, all the other leaders of the world etc. Tomorrow: The earth is flat according to MSNBC
Doesn't Cheney himself suggest this? You think W wasn't influenced heavily by Cheney on Iraq matters?
Dick Cheney has more presidential talent in his little finger than the idiot who is in the White House. It doesn't bother me at all that he had influence on Bush. After all Bush chose him to be VP because of his experience and talent. Compare that to Biden,...no wait there is no comparison.
:twisted: Dave may I suggest you watch the National geographic channel this week they are doing a 9/11 special and an interview w. President Bush... maybe you will learn something. Jim told me I couldnt say this to you before,...he said you wouldnt understand simple english but i am tired of your bush beatings . I wanted to call you and tell you to watch it on Sunday you might have learned something. ........ the real truth. While CHenney was hidden in a bunker the real person was leading the country. But then you have to have an open mind when you watch it... and guess what it wasnt done by CNN FOX or CNBC ,,,,, Wow imagine that.... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
Maybe you should direct your anger toward Cheney who seems to think he was more important than he was. I suspect in the Bush early years he had a severe impact on Middle Eastern policies.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x Jim was right... but you should still watch the show maybe you might learn something or not.. I still have hope people can learn new things.
I have no doubt that W's greatest moment as president was in the hours and days immediately following 9-11 and in the response to it. He was awesome in fact and I think he was spot on in the quick invasion of Afghanistan and I have often said that. But he took a breather when it came to deciding about Iraq and he let Cheney have his way and I think George let Cheney run wild essentially. I would give him more credit for screwing up this Iraq scenario than I do if he knowingly acted on Iraq with good accurate intel......of which there was none of course......just an incessant barking Cheney it seems. And....nice going...bully for you Dick Cheney.... http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/08/31/wartime.contracting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Last week Obama was bombing eight different countries at the same time, while he was on vacation again. Who is Obama's Cheney?
Drones targeting Al-qaida leaders still seems appropriate. Libya is an obvious ploy for oil.......not sure how necessary that is. Extending the Bush started wars is frustrating to watch.......we need to get out of there as quick as possible.
Ahhh yes.... all take note of the great benefit of hindsight and revisionist history always makes the ex ante positions demonstrably superior.... :lol: My question for those in opposition to the Iraqi military action is this..... How does a nation react to a rogue state continually in material breach of ceasefire provisions from a prior military engagement AND dozens of UN resolutions and sanctions who on a daily basis attempts to shoot down aircraft and murder US pilots lawfully engaged to monitor their compliance, provides state support and funding for murderous attacks on the civilian populations of us and our allies and has made a prior effort to assassinate a former President? None of those activities is in dispute....all have been verified as fact. What actions, if any, do those opposed to the President's decision recommend?
I think the day Saddam hung is the day we should have withdrawn. When did it become en vogue to conquer a country and then re-build it? That's their effin' responsibility. I don't blame Bush for invading Iraq and tumbling the regime. He did it with near unanimous bipartisan support both here and around the world. But he pledged right off the top not to get involved in nation building and that is what we have been doing for almost ten years. Afghanistan? This is completely unwinnable. Always has been. Always will be. No mission outline. Seat of the pants strategy. A complete loser. Libya? No one knows why were there.
I'm just going to skip to the bottom of this thread without reading it and say: -So, it wasn't Bush's fault? -Hey, aren't we still in Iraq? -Isn't Gitmo still open? -Are we still in Afghanistan? -Have we increased or decreased military activity since we swapped leadership? Hope and change, bitches.
:evil: Dave I just finished watching the Chenney interview I dont see where you get the idea that he ran the show. infact when asked his opinion he gave it but according to Chenney , Bush did what he thought was best in fact he rarely did what Chenney wanted unless it was something they both agreed on. according to Chenney he was there to give his opinion whether or not it was taken was up to the President. and he respected his wish's only time they really disagreed was to pardon someone and the President didnt do it. so I have no idea what you heard or listened to or maybe what you heard someone else say and YOU didnt watch the interview at all...... and got info second hand . :?: :?: :?:
:roll: re: "Libya is an obvious ploy for oil." America doesn't get any Libyan oil. Oil from Libya has always gone directly to Europe. Obama bombed Libya to help France.
Help France. If it weren't for us they would be speaking German. In fact, is there any nation over there that hasn't conquered them at some point?