June Jones on Tebow

I think Tebow is a great athlete and I think the Heisman goes to the best college player, not the best pro prospect.

What I did enjoy was a man not afraid to call ESPN on their bullsh*t reporting. A big stink was made over Miles and the LSU situation, but few consider that ESPN simply got played but Skip Bertman. They constantly overstate cases for things and everything they say is best, is the 'best ever.'

Good for Jones. I think Tebow is young and we're going to see more development from him as a passer over the coming years. At this point though, Jones has a point about the 'system QB' label.

 

You would think by the reaction that June Jones is the first to mention that Tebow is a "System QB"?

 

I don't blame June Jones, he's just sticking up for his guy. I agree with him that Tebow is a system guy as much as Colt Brennan is a system guy. But Tebow and Brennan are both outstanding system guys. They aren't the only two QB's in college who are running systems that are geared towards the QB getting a lot of yards, they are just 2 of the best.

But I think he was just protecting his guy, when people (espn) disregard his accomplishment and essentially call him a fluke, just a product of the system.

Tebow has had a better year than Colt, not a lot better but a better year and I have no problem with Tim winning the Trophy at this point.

Terry

 

That would be scary. Half of the few ints he has thrown have been tipped balls by his receivers. He is deadly accurate.

Tebow is so much more than the system he runs.

 

well

<t>Jones' point is that the pass offense Florida is running is very simplistic and Tebow will have to develop his overall game before he can be considered a great passer.<br/>
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But I think his overall point that ESPN is painting him a cry baby for reporting lies is a valid one.</t>

 

I haven't been able to find the stat on the web but I recently read that he's had one fumble in his 283 run attempts, 340 pass attempts and 250+/- handoffs.

Also, averaging 25+ attempts per game, he's never had more than 1 INT in a game, and only had 6 total in '07.

 

blah blah blah blah

<t>it doesn't take away from his overall point that ESPN is reporting garbage as 'fact'<br/>
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They are the spotlight for college football. They should have some stock in the integrity of the 'facts' they throw around.</t>

 

All of the above phenomenal stats should make him a certain Heisman winner. The system-or-no-system argument has nothing to do with that kind of performance. I give June Jones credit for standing up for his guy and getting in the face of ESPN, but it's a moot issue IMO.

 

Colt Brennan is a talented guy and may very well have a great NFL career ... maybe for the Bucs??!! But, I have some numbers for JJ:

115 - 111 *FCS
112 - 79
23 - 65
59 - 78 * FCS
94 - 118
89 - 106
79 - 66
102 - 114
59 - 57
67 - 87
6 - 24
107 - 99

and

11 - 17
84 - 69
55 - 76
6 - 11
9 - 3
21 - 49
24 - 42
18 - 40
5 - 14
74 - 64
73 - 54


Theses are the "pass defense" and "pass efficiency defense" rankings faced by Tebow and Brennan. I wonder if he could determine which is which?

Junes should promote his guy for the Heisman, etc. But there's no need to take shots at Tebow or the offense in which he plays. Afterall, Tebow is generating 2 yards more per completion than Brennan is in June's offense.

 

well

<t>we all know that St Timothy of Tebow is destined for this Heisman and maybe 2 others, at least one NC and another he will no doubt be cheated out of...and maybe a Nobel Peace Prize...<br/>
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Jones' point is still valid....ESPN is the spotlight of college football information...and they are lying right thru their teeth... yet delivering it as fact. IF they ever apologize for getting caught lying, its always some back page news piece of a blurb mentioned under the talking head's breath as they segue into another piece.<br/>
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Brennan torched a VERY good Alabama defense last year for 350 yards and 2 TDs. Jones didn't give Chang the endorsement that he is giving Brennan...and Jones coached guys like Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. He knows good from bad. <br/>
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How's Alex Smith these days?</t>

 

As I recall, Smith had a pretty good running back helping him carry the load for the Utes back then....I can't imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he would have had to shoulder more of the burden.

 

Even with a solid running back, why would you not run the plays that were so successful with Tebow toting the rock? If anything, it would seem that a strong running back would make Tebow more successful on a per-carry basis because defenses would not be able to focus on him like they did this year.

I don't know if Tebow will make it in the pros or not, but if he does, he's a lock for the All-Madden team.

 

Re: well

<t>Jones ... IMHO, should promote his guy, without questioning another kid's abilities, regardless of what the "experts" at ESPN may have said. I don't think Meyer has said anything negative about Brennan, McFadden, Dixon, White, Daniel, etal.<br/>
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AFA UF having a legit threat at tailback (if that ever happens), I think Tebow's passing and running game will benefit. Tebow won't generate the yardage and TDs he did in 2007 but he should be more efficient and post better averages.</t>

 

If Tebow has a legit TB then he will be exposed less to injury, that will be the main benefit not better yds per whatever.

 

Yeh, I sorta included "better health" in projecting he'd have better averages. The UGa game was Tebow's worst partly because he was injured and mostly because UGa has a pretty good defense. Assuming better health in that game and that he didn't "rush" the ball at all, his season average rushing yardage per attempt would be 0.4 better than it is.

Also, having a SEC calibre back should force defenses to better respect the run game and influence safeties our of their deep coverage. This, at least in theory, should translate into a more productive deep ball for Tebow, relative to 2007.

 

St. Tim as Corey calls him has had one of the most unbelievable season for a College QB I've ever seen with over 20 td's rushing and passing.

Anyone who has ever seen him pass knows he throws a great long ball as well as shorter passes. If he does develop more as a passer then the sky is the limit for this young man.

As far as ESPN goes I have no argument with what Corey is saying. Way to often they try to shape the news instead of reporting the news.

Every year they try to influence the voting for Heisman, BCS Championship spots and a lot of other stuff.

They should just report the news.

 

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<t>Bill, you and I agree here. You know I am being (mildly) sardonic with the other stuff. The bigger picture is ESPN is 'creating news' and that is the real story here.<br/>
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I knew that any suggestion that Tebow is not a finished product, sure-fire NFL 1st rounder would draw the ire of some of the other Gators... but slamming Tebow wasn't Jones' intention. Some creative editing initially made it seem that way. The only thing getting the 'real' story out is that Jones is a stubborn SOB who is going to a BCS game and every time someone sticks a mic in his face, he'll keep repeating the same truth until someone reports it. And his point is a quite valid one, that you can label both kids 'system qbs' but only one of those systems is going to work in the NFL. Good on him I say.<br/>
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We could deal in the realm of hypothetical 'what ifs'.. why hasn't anyone considered this.<br/>
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What if Brennan was throwing to Florida WRs (and more important) throwing behind Florida's OL?<br/>
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He's already proven that he can torch the heck out of a top-flight SEC defense playing behind Hawaii's. Imagine if he was dropping back behind 4 and 5 star recruits and throwing to 4 and 5 star recruits.<br/>
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If Hawaii is as laughable as a goodly amount of all posters here (and around the web) suggest, how good is this guy and how much better would he be at Florida?</t>

 

I watched Tebow all year and he was unbelievably accurate. Those great receivers dropped quite a few balls that would have resulted in more TDs and yards and actually a couple of less ints....such as the critical int late in the game vs. LSU that bounced off the receiver.

 

I wonder how many NFL quality d-lineman, LBers, and DBs Brennan has faced over this last year ... and his career in Jones' system?

WRT the previously mentioned 2006 game aganst Alabam, later that season Chris Leak posted a better completion %, higher avg yds per attempt and completion, better TD to att and comp %, same number of TD passes and fewer INTS. Just FYI.

Corey ... there's really no need for you to be derisive in comments about Tebow, UF, and any UF fans. You can agree to disagree, but you need not be so personal in your attacks, insults.

 

its not personal

<t>not at all.<br/>
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But speaking Tebow with some of you Gators is insane. If you take "Gators, Florida or Tebow" out of your posts and substitute them with the names of another team, mascot or player and try to read them objectively... you wouldn't believe how otherwise rational people sound... This is what most of these posts sound like:<br/>
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-Tim Tebow has never thrown an incompletion that was his fault.<br/>
-He is possibly the greatest QB to ever take the field.<br/>
-He's both a Heisman worthy runner and passer, but together, he's a shoe-in since he's better at both than everyone else.<br/>
-Florida has never been beaten in the modern football era because the other team was better.<br/>
-The officials, particularly in Alabama, have fixed the games Florida lost that Florida itself didn't give away...thus accounting for all of Florida's losses other than the 'game that dare not speak its name' and the Cheerio Bowl.<br/>
-The SEC is the greatest conference in the land, every year.. and even when out of conference or year end records dont reflect that...we are to ignore those things because its conference action that counts anyway.<br/>
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Rather than address the question I put forth "What if Brennan played for Florida?" You flip it and show how Chris Leak did 'better' against Alabama while totally ignoring the question at hand. In fact, Leak was playing behind that great OL and throwing to those great WRs that I was mentioning. You're almost proving my point for me.<br/>
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All we know is that he has faced an SEC defense, and one of the best BTW... playing behind what most all of you consider to be a joke, and put up profane numbers... but you don't want to talk about that..because its contrary to the Tebow=God thesis.<br/>
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Can we just get on with it and give this guy the GD award so we can get on with the games (whose results you will most likely ignore)?</t>