LSU's two losses were double overtime losses in both cases. Georgia lost to S. Carolina and got hammered by Tennessee. LSU hammered VPI S. Cal has a legitimate claim but I don't see them jumping that far. One loss Kansas lost to Missouri and didn't play much of anyone else. My logic tells me LSU jumps into 2nd.
?????? Ok JO'Co what does your logic tell you? I'm not addressing the merits or non merits of the BCS, but what my logic tells me will happen with the votes and computer polls when they come out. And your thoughts?
8) I have no thoughts. All logic disappeared during this season long ago. If the purpose of the BCS Championship was to match up the best two teams...something it has rarely done...then the final should be USC and LSU. They were the two best teams before the season and they're the two best now...but you and I know that won't happen. So LSU will clobber Ohio State and USC will clobber Georgia and the arguments of 2007 go on forever...
Secretly, JOCO is a fan of the Gay Caballero nation and would want nothing more than to see USC get the shot at another NC after upsetting UCLA today. :lol:
8) UCLA had its QB back, ran out of excuses and will fire their coach. I have no sympathy for them, nor do I have any affection for the Trogs. I'm just enjoying the train wreck at the end of the season...
well <t>no team has ever jumped so far into the #2 spot in the final week of the polls.<br/> <br/> Last year it was a bit of a controversy that Florida jumped up.... and that took a lot of poll working.<br/> <br/> Why not VTech?<br/> <br/> Why not Hawaii?<br/> <br/> Hell, why not Oklahoma?<br/> <br/> USC?<br/> <br/> We're reaching now.</t>
I see Ohio State in a big fishbowl! We lose almost anyway one looks at the situation. Of course we have to be in the BCS NC game to qualify? ESPN has been saying all week we do not deserve to be in the game. If we lose the game, it will be the same story. If we win, then most will say we did not belong in the first place. We are in uncharted waters. Don
Well, I for one am thrilled that the Buckeyes appear to be poised for a return to the big dance. And why shouldn't they? They are the highest ranked of the one loss teams. Simple as that. The rest is subjective.. Now comes the hard part. Who do they play? I think the best team out there at this point in time is USC. Kansas can make an argument with one loss. A mess, right? Let's not make this tougher than necessary. Give the other berth to undefeated Hawaii... they deserve it. Forget these endless "SEC" style arguments about who looked better winning against who. Ohio State v. Hawaii. It's the only clear choice.
As of today, the best matchup is Ohio State vs. LSU. Period. The best 2-loss team in the country is LSU. Period. They proved it on the field vs. a tough Tennessee team that had soundly beaten Georgia only a few weeks earlier. Spare me the whining about USC or Oklahoma or Va Tech. None of those teams showed anything on the field that justifies their jumping over LSU. I'm disappointed in my left coast Irish friends who seem to be in love with USC. Injuries? Fugeddaboutit. I watched LSU win the SEC championship without their starting QB and with their all world DT hobbled by a back injury. Their OT losses to two teams with a combined 15-9 record is a lot different from being beaten by a 4-8 team that lost to - gasp - ND. Oklahoma stepped on their own crank vs. CO and TT and beat a MO team that in retrospect was almost as much a pretender as WVa. Va Tech's demise occurred early when they were taken to the woodshed by LSU. Who have I missed? Kansas? Nope. Georgia? See above. Hawaii? Hahahaha! For me, this controversy is a compelling reason NOT to have a playoff. I love to see applecarts being upset and endless debates with no closure.
Ah .... but more importantly, which are the best 11-win teams in top division college football :?: Maybe it's not LSU which needs to be "jumped". Maybe it should be the teams which did not play their way into the BCS+1 .... ala Oklahoma, LSU, and VaTech?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Keep up the good work Gaterz...... I don't care who we play.....but for damn sure it will be us playing....bring it! Jim Tressel has been a head football coach for 22 years. He has led his teams to the title game in 9 of those years. That is an extraordinary accomplishment in any sport, on any level in any era. Who knows who it will be....this system was a train-wreck waiting to happen and now it has happened.
Well, since this is about playing for the national champioship of the "Football Bowl subdivision" and folks are basing their game selections on won/loss records, performances over the season, maybe the analysis should be limited to the records against teams in the same subdivision? Hey, I'm just trying to objective and logical in the analysis ....... setting aside the hype and subjectivity. :wink:
It will be LSU with Ga and Okla close behind. USC only beat two teams with winning records. They are a good team but that stat leaves them out of this battle. Ga....not even a division winner and a strong case can be made for Okla and in fact I see Okla as coming in # 3 in the BCS poll. I like this.....a whole lot. If OSU gets either LSU or Okla they will be getting a conference champion and it will be fun to anticipate. I like the 5 weeks layoff for teams to get healthy and would loathe a playoff round begining next week. How fair would it be for OSU who has laid around healing up for the last two weeks to draw LSU next Sat.? Not very....sorta like playing Michigan with Hart and Henne at 50%... :wink:
If in fact that is your intent, the BCS computers should provide us some objectivity and logic......after all, that is why we have them, no? Before running the numbers for this weekends play, LSU is 7, GA is 5, USC is 10, Oklahoma is 12 and Kansas is 4, Va Tech is 6. How does that work for ya.....? :wink: Let's see how things shake out in the final rankings for your objective and logical conclusions setting aside the hype and subjectivity.....
Well, let's see what the BCS+1 game contenders, as ranked prior to this weekend, did this weekend: #1 – lost to #9 #2 – lost to unranked #3 – ate cheeseburgers ( big thanks to C Weiss for this characterization :lol: ) #4 – ate cheeseburgers #5 – ate cheeseburgers #6 – defeated #11 #7 – defeated #14 #8 – defeated #1 #9 – defeated unranked Now, let's see how many "division" wins each had at the end of their seasons (rankings are before games of 12/1/07): #1 – 11 #2 - 10 #3 – 10 #4 – 9 #5 - 10 #6 – 10 #7 – 11 #8 – 11 #9 – 10 And here's their final (post games of 12/1/07) SOS per the NCAA: #1 – 13 #2 – 47 #3 – 48 #4 – 25 #5 – 81 #6 – 3 #7 - 24 #8 - 39 #9 - 80 Which are the most deserving of the BSC+1 spots? Teams with the most FBS wins against the more difficult FBS schedules?
+ denotes home game, $ for neutral site, losses in bold. Hopefully the formatting isn't so jacked up that this isn't legible, but I didn't feel like making a big production out of it. <B>Ohio State (11-1)</B> 09/01/07 + Youngstown St. 38 6 09/08/07 + Akron 20 2 09/15/07 Washington 33 14 09/22/07 + Northwestern 58 7 09/29/07 * Minnesota 30 7 10/06/07 * Purdue 23 7 10/13/07 + Kent St. 48 3 10/20/07 + Michigan St. 24 17 10/27/07 * Penn St. 37 17 11/03/07 + Wisconsin 38 17 <B>11/10/07 + Illinois 21 28 </B> 11/17/07 Michigan 14 3 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 78-58 (.574), 1 D-1AA opponent</I> <B>Georgia (10-2)</B> 09/01/07 + Oklahoma St. 35 14 <B>09/08/07 + South Carolina 12 16 </B> 09/15/07 + Western Caro. 45 16 09/22/07 Alabama 26 23 OT 09/29/07 + Mississippi 45 17 <B>10/06/07 Tennessee 14 35 </B> 10/13/07 Vanderbilt 20 17 10/27/07 $ Florida 42 30 11/03/07 + Troy 44 34 11/10/07 + Auburn 45 20 11/17/07 + Kentucky 24 13 11/24/07 Georgia Tech 31 17 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 73-59 (.553), 1 D-1AA opponent</I> <B>LSU (11-2)</B> 08/30/07 Mississippi St. 45 0 09/08/07 + Virginia Tech 48 7 09/15/07 + Middle Tenn. St. 44 0 09/22/07 + South Carolina 28 16 09/29/07 Tulane 34 9 10/06/07 + Florida 28 24 <B>10/13/07 Kentucky 37 43 3OT</B> 10/20/07 + Auburn 30 24 11/03/07 Alabama 41 34 11/10/07 + Louisiana Tech 58 10 11/17/07 Mississippi 41 24 <B>11/23/07 + Arkansas 48 50 3OT</B> 12/01/07 $ Tennessee 21 14 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 86-59 (.593), beat Virginia Tech</I> <B>Virginia Tech (11-2)</B> 09/01/07 + East Caro. 17 7 <B>09/08/07 LSU 7 48 </B> 09/15/07 + Ohio 28 7 09/22/07 + William & Mary 44 3 09/29/07 + North Carolina 17 10 10/06/07 Clemson 41 23 10/13/07 Duke 43 14 <B>10/25/07 + Boston College 10 14 </B> 11/01/07 Georgia Tech 27 3 11/10/07 + Florida St. 40 21 11/17/07 + Miami (Fla.) 44 14 11/24/07 Virginia 33 21 12/01/07 Boston College 30 16 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 88-59 (.599), 1 D1-AA game, lost to LSU</I> <B>Southern Cal (10-2)</B> 09/01/07 + Idaho 38 10 09/15/07 Nebraska 49 31 09/22/07 + Washington St. 47 14 09/29/07 Washington 27 24 <B>10/06/07 + Stanford 23 24 </B> 10/13/07 + Arizona 20 13 10/20/07 Notre Dame 38 0 <B>10/27/07 Oregon 17 24 </B> 11/03/07 + Oregon St. 24 3 11/10/07 California 24 17 11/22/07 * Arizona St. 44 24 12/01/07 + UCLA 24 7 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 63-70 (.474)</I> <B>Kansas (11-1)</B> 09/01/07 + Central Mich. 52 7 09/08/07 + Southeastern La. 62 0 09/15/07 + Toledo 45 13 09/22/07 + Florida Int'l 55 3 10/06/07 Kansas St. 30 24 10/13/07 + Baylor 58 10 10/20/07 Colorado 19 14 10/27/07 Texas A&M 19 11 11/03/07 + Nebraska 76 39 11/10/07 Oklahoma St. 43 28 11/17/07 + Iowa St. 45 7 <B>11/24/07 $ Missouri 28 36</B> <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 62-71 (.466), 1 D-1AA game</I> <B>Oklahoma (11-2)</B> 09/01/07 + North Texas 79 10 09/08/07 + Miami (Fla.) 51 13 09/15/07 + Utah St. 54 3 09/21/07 Tulsa 62 21 <B>09/29/07 Colorado 24 27 </B> 10/06/07 $ Texas 28 21 10/13/07 + Missouri 41 31 10/20/07 Iowa St. 17 7 11/03/07 + Texas A&M 42 14 11/10/07 + Baylor 52 21 11/17/07 Texas Tech 27 34 11/24/07 + Oklahoma St. 49 17 12/01/07 $ Missouri 38 17 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 78-66 (.542)</I> <B>Hawaii (12-0)</B> 09/01/07 + Northern Colo. 63 6 09/08/07 Louisiana Tech 45 44 OT 09/15/07 UNLV 49 14 09/22/07 + Charleston So. 66 10 09/29/07 Idaho 48 20 10/06/07 + Utah St. 52 37 10/12/07 San Jose St. 42 35 OT 10/27/07 + New Mexico St. 50 13 11/10/07 + Fresno St. 37 30 11/16/07 Nevada 28 26 11/23/07 + Boise St. 39 27 12/01/07 + Washington 35 28 <I>Cumulative record of opponents in other games: 53-80 (.398), 2 D-1AA games</I>
Gaterz, interesting that losses don't find their way into your analysis....some would suggest that # of losses a team has might be a meaningful measure of a teams body of work over the course of a season. No? :wink:
Well, the impact of playing conference championship games are in yours? What about wins against same division teams? What about "body of work" analysis against tougher schedules? If teams were playing a similar number of games against same division teams and schedules of comparable difficulty, the entire process would be much more objective. However ...... at many schools, scheduling for championships has become quite a science. Or, is it an art? 8)