If your team: -Went undefeated -Won a conference that produce 3 10+ win teams. -Won a conference that dominated the Pac10 during the regular season. -Beat Michigan @ Ann Arbor -Beat Oregon State -Won a conference that went 2-0 vs the SEC this year. And you were told that your team, after accomplishing all of those things, could finish no higher than #2... maybe... Would you be fine with that?
UTAH = NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! REFERENCE = 1984 BYU Cougars UF vs OU = Great reason to drink this Thursday!!
Now that I'm back to reading the boards, this seems like a good time for my obligatory... WE NEED A PLAYOFF!!!!!!!! 8) I have watched ZERO hours of bowl games (just can't get into it this year), so I have no room to speak to any outcomes. Thus... I won't!
Scott, I saw where you got a very good HS RB recruit. I don't recall his full name, but I think his first name is Christine. I'll bet he's a tough kid........I'm reminded of the old Johnny Cash song, A Boy Named Sue. :lol:
Utah is a great story, they had a terrific bowl win. Beating UM was no big deal this past year and they had to hang on to do it against what is arugably the worst Mich team in history. That same UM team was beaten handily by ND the next week, are you suggesting that ND might be as good or better than Utah? Oregon State was another good story, they started the season getting blown out and finished the regular season getting blown out. In between they played some exciting football, including that upset of USC. I still say that inspite of the win over Alabama, that Utah would unlikely have had an undefeated season had they played in the B12 or SEC or the PAC10 or the B10. I'm still pissed that BYU won that NC back in '84, I don't think they deserved it. Until we have a playoff there will always be somebody who's been done wrong. But in the meantime congrats to the Utes for a great season.
Sid that's Christine Michael...it's pronounced like Christian, just not spelled that way. He's a excellent RB one of the best in the nation and I suspect one of the reasons that McGuffie decided to transfer to Rice rather than A&M. Terry
Interesting. I was not aware that McGuffie had chosen Rice. I know I was impressed when I read about the Michael kid. I figured his first name might have a different pronunciation from the way it is spelled. I still like my version, though. :lol:
I thought the same thing Sid! "I bet that kid had a fight EVERY day until he was done whipping them all!" :shock:
Terry, Utah beat 5 ranked teams.. And Oregon State didn't finish the season getting blown out.... They finished the season shutting out that RB from Pitt who ran all over us at ND. Also, they beat Michigan to open the season.. They still have athletes and Michigan got worse as the year went on. While ND was struggling to beat SDSU, just a few months later Utah beat them 63-14.
According to who the team is, what conference they play in and what their overall schedule strength is. As usual you have used selective questions to ask and left out other important questions like the ones I listed above. I gotta love it though, I was starting to wonder if Corey had changed and we wouldn't get the annual rant against the SEC and the BCS. But in the end you didn't disappoint me.
Well AJ, enjoy your evening. I managed to get someone to cover me in my bowling league so I can stay home and enjoy the evening myself. And win or lose I am going to enjoy watching these two teams.
I keep wondering if USC were in the Nat'l Championship game with Utah would Corey be championing the cause of UF, Texas and OU? :wink: :wink: :wink:
Bill, I could make this same rant against the Big 12. In fact, my anti-BCS rant usually includes the line somewhere that this system is designed to benefit, and give preferential treatment to, the 'super conferences' As I mentioned in the previous subject, the SEC has played for the title 5 times in 10 years... They doubled their rate from the previous 20 years before the BCS.. no wonder they love this system.
Terry, Actually I would be championing Utah over USC (as I am now). We've had teams from the Big East and ACC play for titles who have proven less... The hypocrisy of Division I college football is a joke. Call it a cash grab and I'd respect ya for that... but don't tell me this is about finding out who the champion is... because it has never been about that.
Corey, seems to me the BCS has rewarded Utah with two big dollar payoffs. I'll bet the cry all the way to the bank. Let me see the SEC has played for more titles than in the past. So in your mind that means something is wrong with the system. Geez guy it just could be that the SEC is in a good cycle right now that will end at some point. From the time Georgia won in the early 80's until Bama won in 92 the SEC had won none. I wonder who you might rant against during that time. That's like me saying that because USC is contending every year right now the system is wrong. It just doesn't compute.
Corey, you keep bringing up this argument that the BCS benefits the SEC since teams from the SEC have played in the BCS championship game 5 times since the BCS's inception. Let's take a look at those particular years. 1998-#1 Tennessee vs. #2 Florida St. Other possible opponents for the Vols: none I suppose you could make a case for a couple of teams but realistically this was the only matchup. 2003- #1 Oklahoma vs. #2 LSU Other possible opponents for OK: This is the year that really led to the SEC bias stuff, IMO. USC was left out and they most likely deserved to be in. I'll grant that to you. USC still achieved a share of the NC. 2006- #1 OHio State vs. #2 Florida Other candidates: none, unless you want to include Boise St. which probably wouldn't be a bad idea but I think if you're truly honest with yourself, you'd have to admit that they got incredibly lucky pulling off those trick plays in perhaps the greatest upset ever in a bowl game in one of the greatest bowl games ever played. 2007- #2 LSU vs #1 OSU Other candidates: Obviously you can make the case again for USC who lost 2 reg. season games. However, in such a strange year, someone had to go. If you have a beef, it shouldn't be with LSU. It should be with Ohio St. getting in despite playing in the Big 10 (which has been down for the last couple of years) and despite the drubbing they received from Florida a year earlier. LSU went out and beat the Buckeyes like a redheaded step-child. When comparing LSU and USC from last year you come down to comparing how impressive they were in losses. USC lost to Stanford as 41 pt. favorites. I think that was very difficult to overcome perception-wise and perception often is equal to reality especially in college football.
Aquila, if memory serves me correctly Corey crowned Boise State in 2006 instead of the Gators. That is my memory which could be wrong. :wink: :wink:
You don't watch a lot of Boise State, do you? If memory serves, and I believe it does, that was a game in which Boise jumped all over Oklahoma and OU was the team with the miracle come back. In fact, OU's fantastic come back seems to be lost to history due to Boise's 'trick plays.' As for the year by year, I'll list the teams you could have made a case for: 1998-No problems 1999-No problems. The case could be made that 12-1 Big 12 champ Nebraska did 'more' during the season but they lost to Texas during the regular season. Somehow undefeated seems to mean more only if it is BCS conference. 2000- Problems: Once beaten Florida State was put up vs Oklahoma. -The media darling Miami was cried for at the time. They too finished with one loss and had beaten Florida State.. Sounds reasonable enough except that one loss Washington was also left out... and they beat Miami. Washington's sin was losing on the road to Oregon who finished the year 10-2 and beat Texas in the Holiday Bowl) -The end result was that OU beats Florida State in a game in which FSU generates only 2 points. Miami goes on to beat Florida in their bowl game. Washington goes on to beat a Drew Brees led Purdue in the Rose. Somehow Miami finished #2 in the polls as well...ahead of Washington who beat them. 2001-Problems: Major Major problems. Once beaten Nebraska that didn't win it's own division, let alone their conference, plays for the title against Miami. Oregon wins the Pac10 and finishes with one loss. Oregon finishes #2 in both polls but is left out of the title game due to the "BCS formula'. Oregon had lost earlier to Stanford 49-42. Nebraska lost their regular season finale to Colorado 62-36, yet were pushed thru to the title. -The end result? Oregon was cast off to face the red hot Colorado Buffaloes to 'prove' they belonged with the big boys, while the Huskers played Miami for the title. Oregon handed Colorado a nuclear arse kicking that isn't reflected in the score. You can read about that beating here. Meanwhile, Miami took care of Nebraska... 2002-No problem. 2003: Problems-USC finished #1 in both polls and was left out of the BCS title game. The end result was a fracturing of the poll system. The AP withdrew from the BCS because they refused to anoint the winner of the BCS game the title. Where are those traditionalists now? 2004: No real problem but I will qualify why for the SEC homers. USC and Oklahoma were both unbeaten. They both played much tougher schedules than Auburn and started the year ranked higher than Auburn. It didn't help Auburn that they were beaten soundly by USC in the 2 years prior to this. If anything, in hindsight, Auburn would have provided a more challenging game than Oklahoma as USC clocked OU 55-19. 2005: No problems 2006: Problems, covered above. 2007: Problems: You want to compare USC's loss to Stanford by 1 point and Oregon (possibly the best team in the country prior to Dixon going down) to LSU's losses to Kentucky and Arkansas. I understand your case about a 'quality' argument being made against Ohio State but they had only lost once that season prior to the NC game. I am sure, as they always do, someone will point out that Kentucky and Arkansas are 'tough SEC opponents' while ignoring the fact that USC had played Arkansas in each of the two previous seasons beating them 70-17 and 50-14 respectively.
Sounds to me as if a playoff is the only thing to make people happy, only thing is not many coach's want it. Could we find out what the Utah coach thinks about it.
He wants a playoff. He said so before the game was played back in November. Wittingham would like a playoff Sounds like he's about settling it on the field... perhaps with good reason.