Perusing MSN.com I came across this paragraph: "The new health care law adds consumer protections that kick in Thursday, forcing insurers to cover kids with pre-existing conditions, eliminate lifetime caps and stop cancelling policies when people become sick." As the father of three children....two of who still live in my house....on my watch......I have tried to figure out just where the evil is in the above statement. I just can't see why this is something average Americans do not want. WTF....is everyone out there immune to illness and injury? :shock: :roll:
Dave, The Dems have looked at what they voted in "to see what's there" and they realize that it is a death sentence for them. Even Obama is back peddling now. Who's going to pay for it... You are, I am, everyone that works is, the ones that benefit the most are the ones not working and haven't worked for years.
Does the GOP idea of health care reform include those changes as described in the paragrah I highlited? Simple question.
Not sure. I saw on a news commentary they posted it for all to review... Something that Obama said he would do but we all know how that turned out.
Tom...I appreciate the response but keep in mind I am the epitome of the average American head of household with dependents and as I say I can't find a damned thing wrong with the revisions that I copied from that article. Why does the GOP capitulate.....and endeavor to disguise their answer on this with attacks on the weakness of the Dem plan. F**k those Dems if they can't get the essence of the program changes we need without earmarks but how can I embrace the GOP if they do not believe whole heartedly in the provisions that I listed? I'll take earmarks over cold hearted greed.
As I said.....screw the Dems who hold those provisions hostage with other agendas if that be the case. Otherwise I can't see why the average American wouldn't want those changes to his/her healthcare plans.
Of course there is nothing wrong with those healthcare initiatives except the nation is broke and we cannot afford them. That's all. Now tell me that we are getting out of two wars and then using that money to pay for this and that would be different.
Dave, the article Terry posted shows the tip of the fraud iceberg that is rampant in America. People wanting something for nothing. So, I asked a question that you beat around the bush instead of answering. Acceptance at any cost... What would you personally pay for these benefits? What about your kids? Are you willing to let them pay throughout their lifetime for what you want?
I was already paying $850.00 per month with my previous employer's plan and I cannot even afford my new employers family plan at a staggering $1200.00 per month. On top of those costs are the thousands of dollars in family deductibles and co-pays. With expenses like those I have a son who is 22 living at home who is presently unisured because my wife's plan....which is around $500.00 per month plus expensive co-pays and deductibles....will not take my son on the family plan because he is not in school at the present time. We have checked and we will now....due to the changes enacted yesterday.....be able to add him to my wife's plan in open enrollment come Jan. 2011 Already I see a big benefit from the new changes. Nice to know that all of you average Americans out there on this board have ample, affordable healthcare based on the fact you will never get sick or need health insurance or you never plan to lose your job or change jobs, etc. because it seems as if no one here feels a need for those provisions I listed. Good luck....
You continue to sidestep the questions so I will repeat them until you do. You have the availability to pay now or pass the cost off to your children.
I'll add that your children have already been burdened by the lavish spending YOUR government has already accomplished. How much more are you willing to place on their backs?
I explained my family healthcare expenses because I am already paying through the nose and have seen most of the exorbitant increase take place since Jan. of 2001. My child already pays the price....he is dependent, lives with us and he cannot get on the health care plan that I already pay for....until yesterday. Why should I trust those who were in office when this thing went completely haywire with regard to increasing costs to average Americans? What have they done other than to earn my distrust of their intentions? And then you have the GOP candidate for governor here in Florida whose company paid record fines for Medicare fraud while the SOB is so rich he sinks 50 million of his own money into the primary race? ....no trust earned there either.
OK, so your going on record as saying that because you have expenses that have risen at the same rate as everyone else, maybe higher because you lost your job, you want everyone else to pay your portion of those rising costs. There it is guys and gals, we have the new Webster's dictionary definition of a true Democrat. "Please pay my bills because it's too hard for me to do."
You twist words like no one I have ever seen. I actually pay less for my wife's healthcare plan than I did for the one at my old company in Detroit because I stuck with that one as it tripled in costs from 2001 through 2008. Where do you see where I am asking anyone to pay anything for me Mr. Twister? I am asking for honesty and integrity and fair coverage for what I pay for. A family plan should include my 22 year old son who lives at home wouldn't you think?
No, I don't think it should. If he was in school, that would be another story. If he were incapacitated, that would be another story. It is my personal opinion that anyone over the age of 18 that is not in school and able bodied should be out on their own, supporting themselves, just like I did. I didn't rely on my family to support me when I reached the age of majority. As a matter of fact, I worked to help my mother make ends meet and was paying my way while still in high school working after school. My mother remarried three months after my 18th birthday, three months after I was in my own apartment still paying my own way. You will receive no sympathy from me over having to maintain insurance for an able bodied 22 year old. Twisting words? I ask you who is going to pay for these Cadillac options when we can only afford Geo Metro options? You never answered that. There were no words to twist. Silence speaks volumes. Dave, I agree that the options you quoted in your original post are fantastic. I would not mind having them. I would also like to have a Maserati but can more easily afford a Honda. Do I ask you to pay more so I can have the Maserati?
Between premiums, co-pays and out of pocket I have probably literally paid over $100,000.00 in family healthcare expense over the past 10 years. In addition to that I probably paid over $75,000.00 in healthcare expenses in the 20 years prior. I presently pay for my healthcare coverage as I always have. Note the word coverage. Somehow coverage has translated into watered down benefits and more out of pocket expenses. My son has not re-entered school but was a student until we left Michigan for my new job. I still pay the higher premiums for family coverage and he is still in my family and I think he should be a part of that family coverage.
And that is your right to want to cover him. I do not want to pay one cent to cover your 22 year old home based son. Added benefits through Obama care are paid by the tax payer. ... all the tax payers.
I don't expect you to pay one stinking dime for my son's healthcare. But I think I have illustrated that I have paid through the friggin nose for family coverage over the years, especially since your buddies took over the Whitehouse in 2001 and I expect to get that coverage. Now here is a guy running for the highest political office in Florida that we can all trust when it comes to honesty and integrity in healthcare: http://www.theledger.com/article/20100819/NEWS/8195066