Global Warming

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  1. JO'Co

    JO'Co Well-Known Member

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    For all the liberals who want to believe in global warming...

    I work in the High Desert of SoCal and the current temperature in Lancaster, CA is 7 degrees...in Palmdale, CA, its 12... The high in Apple Valley yesterday at noon was 27... the current temp here in Montclair is 18...

    I left for work at 5:30 AM and arrived at work several hours later. It began snowing on my truck as I traveled through Upland...serious snow flurries were blowing across the 210 Freeway at more than 70mph in Fontana, causing all big-rig trucks to pull off the road...there was an 11 car pile up at Devore causing the closure of both the 15 and 215 freeways...cars and trucks were sliding across the ice into ditches at Lytle Creek where banks of snow were piled several feet high...the California Highway Patrol escorted us up the 26 mile long Cajon Pass to the top of the mountain and it snowed hard all the way...and there was a hailstorm at the summit of the mountains. Governor Terminator is opening warmth shelters to keep the bums from freezing to death...

    Here's some photos of the Cajon Pass in winter...

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  2. George Krebs

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    On the other hand I was sitting out on the back deck yesterday having a beer, wearing shorts and a t shirt. Had worked all day with the windows open in the house.

    January 13 in New Jersey... 65 degrees.

    Happy New Year!

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    <t>Are having Global warming in Houston today and all week. I love it. Actually not running the AC.</t>
     
  4. JO'Co

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    :shock:

    Its snowing in Malibu...
     
  5. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    BTW...beautifull train in mountains photos. Almost looks like the Canadian Rockies.
     
  6. JO'Co

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    Those train photos were taken in the Cajon Pass in March! Its even colder now in the winter months and yes, it is beautiful. Driving back into SoCal from the Vegas side is even more spectacular. It reminds me of pictures that I've seen of the Alps. The mountain areas around here really are special...
     
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    From what I can tell the Liberal spin includes colder weather in places that are usually warm.
    We've had a relatively mild, light snow winter. All that means is that once again, I over-paid the snow removal service.
    As far as I can tell, the problem is too many people. Ever been in a room when there are too many people in there? It gets hot. I figure, the "global warming" will kill a few hundred million or so, and the temperature will go back to normal.
    No problem.
     
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    We do our best to keep the hot air flowing here.
     
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    It's time for the Skybox moderate Democrat to be heard............

    Global warming is BS.

    There. I've spoken. :roll:
     
  10. JO'Co

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    Sid, you're like Senator Lieberman. We'll never make a Republican out of you, but we keep moving you over one inch at a time...
     
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    LOL!

    One of my all-time favorite conversations between me and my good friend who is a lawyer, a conservative Republican, and the Ft. Wayne version of JO'Co in terms of intelligence and knowledge..............

    Baker, you think like us, you talk like us....you really are one of us.

    Phil, I could never be a Republican. I care about people.

    You're right, Sid. Our history is filled with leaders who didn't care about people.......like ABRAHAM LINCOLN!

    (me laughing) Touche.
     
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    :cry: Can someone please tell me how to save my lawn.. I have worked very hard to keep it green and lush now it feels and looks like straw.. All my Cana have died and my giant Bird of Paradise is struggling I had 3 over 10 feet high and now even though I cut back my roses I might lose them... I have to make it all look good so I can sell my house to get a new and better one in the desert / At least this week it is staying in the 40's and no where near the 20's it has been ... However Joco may be driving thru a snow storm today in the pass ...di
     
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    I depends on what type of grass your lawn is. Some types of grass hibernate in the winter. They return with the warm weather.
    Another global warming day here in Michigan. High today won't make it to 20 probably.
     
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    Well what better way to celebrate Groundhog Day than a report on Global Warming.
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/02/climate.talks.ap/index.html
    According to the report, it's going to go on for centuries no matter what. Ocean levels are rising which doesn't bode well for those living in areas at or below sea level (Fla, La. etc.)
    I for one am looking foward to celebrating this warmer winter we're supposedly getting because of Global Warming. Yes sit, maybe I'll go golfing Sun. before the Super Bowl. Only problem is that the high on Sun. is supposed to be 7!!!!
     
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    I thought I read where human bodies are contributing to global warming. I guess we are going to have to limit each family to one child to prevent the spread of global warming. Whatever it takes. :roll:
     
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    Mrs. JO'Co, the Gipper speaks wisely....my sense is that you have some type of warm weather grass....i.e., bermuda, centipede, zoysia are the types we have here on the east coast. In my area, they go dormant once the weather begins to cool in Dec and my entire yard as well as the golf course fairways look like straw for the remainder of the winter. Mid-End of February, once the ground begins to warm, it greens right up in no time. By mid-end March, you'd never know it was anything but green.
     
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    :D What would I do without you guys.... the brief last rain shower did bring back a few patches and I mean few patches of green but My Giant Bird of Paradise I feel it gone ... and my Cana are hsitory... goiung to Lowes today to find replacements... Roses I think ... nice here today in the 70 and 80 but back to cold rainy weather next week.... But not like what you have up there now ... Stay safe and warm D
     
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    HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM
    HEARING NOTICE
    Tue Feb 13 2007 19:31:25 ET

    The Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The hearing is entitled “Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?”

    The hearing will be rescheduled to a date and time to be announced later.
     
  19. JO'Co

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    February 26, 2007


    Inconvenient Truths
    by Patrick J. Michaels

    Patrick Michaels is senior fellow and author of Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media.


    This Sunday, Al Gore will probably win an Academy Award for his global-warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth, a riveting work of science fiction.

    The main point of the movie is that, unless we do something very serious, very soon about carbon dioxide emissions, much of Greenland's 630,000 cubic miles of ice is going to fall into the ocean, raising sea levels over twenty feet by the year 2100.

    Where's the scientific support for this claim? Certainly not in the recent Policymaker's Summary from the United Nations' much anticipated compendium on climate change. Under the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's medium-range emission scenario for greenhouse gases, a rise in sea level of between 8 and 17 inches is predicted by 2100. Gore's film exaggerates the rise by about 2,000 percent.

    Even 17 inches is likely to be high, because it assumes that the concentration of methane, an important greenhouse gas, is growing rapidly. Atmospheric methane concentration hasn't changed appreciably for seven years, and Nobel Laureate Sherwood Rowland recently pronounced the IPCC's methane emissions scenarios as "quite unlikely."

    Nonetheless, the top end of the U.N.'s new projection is about 30-percent lower than it was in its last report in 2001. "The projections include a contribution due to increased ice flow from Greenland and Antarctica for the rates observed since 1993," according to the IPCC, "but these flow rates could increase or decrease in the future."

    According to satellite data published in Science in November 2005, Greenland was losing about 25 cubic miles of ice per year. Dividing that by 630,000 yields the annual percentage of ice loss, which, when multiplied by 100, shows that Greenland was shedding ice at 0.4 percent per century.

    "Was" is the operative word. In early February, Science published another paper showing that the recent acceleration of Greenland's ice loss from its huge glaciers has suddenly reversed.

    Nowhere in the traditionally refereed scientific literature do we find any support for Gore's hypothesis. Instead, there's an unrefereed editorial by NASA climate firebrand James E. Hansen, in the journal Climate Change — edited by Steven Schneider, of Stanford University, who said in 1989 that scientists had to choose "the right balance between being effective and honest" about global warming — and a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that was only reviewed by one person, chosen by the author, again Dr. Hansen.

    These are the sources for the notion that we have only ten years to "do" something immediately to prevent an institutionalized tsunami. And given that Gore only conceived of his movie about two years ago, the real clock must be down to eight years!

    It would be nice if my colleagues would actually level with politicians about various "solutions" for climate change. The Kyoto Protocol, if fulfilled by every signatory, would reduce global warming by 0.07 degrees Celsius per half-century. That's too small to measure, because the earth's temperature varies by more than that from year to year.

    The Bingaman-Domenici bill in the Senate does less than Kyoto — i.e., less than nothing — for decades, before mandating larger cuts, which themselves will have only a minor effect out past somewhere around 2075. (Imagine, as a thought experiment, if the Senate of 1925 were to dictate our energy policy for today).

    Mendacity on global warming is bipartisan. President Bush proposes that we replace 20 percent of our current gasoline consumption with ethanol over the next decade. But it's well-known that even if we turned every kernel of American corn into ethanol, it would displace only 12 percent of our annual gasoline consumption. The effect on global warming, like Kyoto, would be too small to measure, though the U.S. would become the first nation in history to burn up its food supply to please a political mob.

    And even if we figured out how to process cellulose into ethanol efficiently, only one-third of our greenhouse gas emissions come from transportation. Even the Pollyannish 20-percent displacement of gasoline would only reduce our total emissions by 7-percent below present levels — resulting in emissions about 20-percent higher than Kyoto allows.

    And there's other legislation out there, mandating, variously, emissions reductions of 50, 66, and 80 percent by 2050. How do we get there if we can't even do Kyoto?

    When it comes to global warming, apparently the truth is inconvenient. And it's not just Gore's movie that's fiction. It's the rhetoric of the Congress and the chief executive, too.


    This article appeared in the National Review (Online) on February 23, 2007.
     
  20. JO'Co

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    The Great Global Warming hoax continues and Al Gore is personally profiting. Why are we not surprised? He's raising money that goes into corporations that he owns, run by clowns who were protected from investigations when he was VP, by Att. Gen. Janet Reno...

    THE HEAT IS ON
    Gore's 'carbon offsets' paid to firm he owns
    Critics say justification for energy-rich lifestyle serves as way for former VP to profit

    Al Gore's Nashville mansion (PajamasMedia.com)
    Al Gore defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets," but the company that receives his payments turns out to be partly owned and chaired by the former vice president himself.

    Gore has built a "green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms," writes blogger Dan Riehl.

    Gore has described the lifestyle he and his wife Tipper live as "carbon neutral," meaning he tries to offset any energy usage, including plane flights and car trips, by "purchasing verifiable reductions in CO2 elsewhere."

    But it turns out he pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management, a London-based company with offices in Washington, D.C., for which he serves as chairman. The company was established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating "global warming," reports blogger Bill Hobbs.

    Generation Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.

    Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat, which is disputed by many mainstream scientists.

    "In other words, he 'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself," Hobbs writes. "To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets' through Generation Investment Management – he buys stocks."

    As WND reported, Gore, whose film warning of a coming cataclysm due to man-made "global warming" won two Oscars, has a mansion in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville that consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, citing data from the Nashville Electric Service.

    The think tanks says since the release of Gore's film, the former presidential candidate's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kilowatt-hours per month in 2005, to 18,400 per month in 2006.