O.K. all you football X and O guys. I'm just a passionate ND football fan and I can tell you when I see a spread offense vs a Pro style etc but that's about the extent of it. My question is what differentiates a Brian Kelly spread offense from others like RR from UM etc? :?
Tim, I'm not much different than you in knowing when they are in a spread vs under center. What I do think about Meyer's offense is that his is labeled the spread option. He brought in aspects of tradional passing running and the option. You didn't see a lot of that this year from the Gators, but there were a few times the option worked really well and even helped bail us out against Arkansas. I'm interested to see what some of the more knowledgeable X and O guys say about this also.
Tim, I'm like you in terms of knowing only the difference between a spread and a pro set offense, but it seems to me that they are more similar than at first appearance. Anymore you never see a QB under center for the entire game, either in the pros or in college. Also, even when you see two RBs in the backfield, it could be a pass play to one of 4-5 receivers. I believe the most significant difference to be the type of QB, e.g., a Terrelle Pryor vs. a Jimmy Clausen. What I'm trying to say is that IMO the differences between the spread and the pro set have diminished to the point where the same personnel can be successful in either scheme. I don't know if I'm accurate with that assessment, but that's how I see it. I see a much more obvious difference - in scheme AND in personnel - between the spread/pro styles and the triple option offense.
From what I've read Kelly tries to adapt to his personel. Here's an article discussing the difference between Kelly and RR. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=ArDpcLvWVRJGDyfyVlL.CWkcvrYF?slug=dw-kelly121009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Tim, Here is an article that does a little more in depth analysis of X's and O's re Kelly. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Deconstructing-The-roots-of-Brian-Kelly-s-geni?urn=ncaaf,202207 Also, read the comment section, specifically a comment from a Grand Valley fan who followed the team during the Kelly years who does a nice job knocking down the "all offense/no defense" criticism made at him.
Kelly <r>Gipper, <br/> <br/> The article you mention doesn't tell me much about the spread offense but it's a damn good article by a reporter/commentator who actually took the time to research what he was talking about. How refreshing. He is spot-on on several points. <br/> <br/> If Kelly is everything he is suppose to be(God I hope so), ND fans can reasonably expect a descent not great season next year even though it will be the first for Kelly. <E></E></r>
Kelly <r>Stu,<br/> <br/> <br/> <B><s></s><SIZE size="200"><s></s><e></e></SIZE><COLOR color="red"><s></s>NO OPTION!<e></e></COLOR><e></e></B></r>
Kelly does seem to be able to make the necessary switch from a more run oriented spread to a pass oriented spread. When he had Tony Pike as the QB the QB rarely ran the ball, when Pike was injured he brought in another QB (I forget his name) and that QB was more of a runner who could pass fairly well, but he was a threat to run the ball. In the game against So. Fla he was forced to change styles in the middle of the game when Pike was injured again and he brought the other kid in an that kid rallied the team to a win. All of the ND QB's should fit very easily into the Kelly offense. Dayne Crist is an effective runner as we saw against Purdue, and your boy Tommy Rees is more like Tony Pike. The Hendrix kid played in a run oriented spread offense at Moeller, but has a strong arm. He also should fit well with the Kelly offense. One thing about the spread, so many HS have gone to the spread offense you don't find nearly as many kids who have played under center in HS as you did in the past. So he should be able to easily recruit kids for his offense. Where as for the Pro Style offense like Weis ran the recruiting pool is a little bit smaller, not that a kid who ran the spread in HS couldn't transition to a Pro style, but he would probably need a redshirt year and a year as a backup before he was ready. The transition should be realatively easy for the QB/RB/WR/TE's at ND not so sure about the OL. Some spreads like the one RR runs like the OL to be smaller/lighter and some like the one at Texas Tech like the OL's to be massive. Of course the OL at ND has been a problem for quite awhile now and Charlie only had 1 recruit at OL when he left...Christian Lomard a 4* OG. I haven't looked at the roster to see how we'll be depth wise next year, but if we end up with only 1 OL this year that will hurt in a couple of years.
Pretty good motivational speaker as well. You can't start wining till you stop losing and he explains how/why. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3ef2u1B6FBM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3ef2u1B6FBM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Kelly <r>From what I'm seeing on the internet, Kelly has already gone to work contacting several recruit prospects <E>8)</E></r>
From what I have seen so far Kelly himself will be an effective recruiter. The key for him is to hold on to what Weis has and add some more players. It is always tough to add players because they don't know you and they have been working with your competition for more than a year. But he needs some OL, Matt James would be a big pickup. It's probably between Ohio State and ND at this point, but Matt already knows who will be his OL coach at OSU, he doesn't know who will be the guy at ND. A lot of players won't make a verbal unless they know their position coach.
Here's a list of players Coach D feels are the most important left on the board for ND. Hopefully Kelly will get a few of them. He has 18 guys from Weis, if nobody jumps ship, and if he can add 7 more from this list it will be an outstanding class. CoachD's List
If you wanna know I can get into it. I think I talk enough here and I am a bit busy with Gator hating season right now.. not that I would qualify myself as any sort of expert, but I can break down the Xs and Os for you..as well as get into the pros and cons of the offense.
kelly <t>Tommy Rees(QB) says BK called him yesterday and he will be visiting him soon. He's still thinking about enrolling early.</t>
We really need Rees to enroll early. Crist won't be able to do much, even if Nate Montana comes back he apparently played himself out of the job at the JC he went to for more playing time. So that leaves scout team QB's.
Rees <r>Terry,<br/> <br/> It would be really nice if the Rees kid would come in early and get a ton of reps during the spring. I'm sure Crist will be ready for the fall but not many reps in the new offense. <br/> <br/> One thing about Crist, He seems smart enough to catch on to the new offense pretty quickly. When you hear him speak seems to have a lot of maturity. <E>8)</E></r>