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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Oh.....and now the US Gov't. is going to start holding Big Oil accountable.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/18/gulf.oil.spill.main/index.html?hpt=T2

    I have always heard ( here ) that these are big boys who know what they're doing....they don't need any interference from Big Gov't. and the rest of us will be just fine and dandy.

    I dunno....maybe we should just let them drill wherever the hell they want with no regulation and just get out of their way...... :roll:

    Hey...maybe Rush will have some huge patches of seedy oil wash up in his back yard over on the east coast of Florida. :lol:
     
  2. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Let me clarify my position a little.

    Big Oil.....I have never....ever trusted.

    Offshore drilling......hey I thought just maybe it was a good idea because after all we should be able to trust those in charge of operating it not to cause a monumental environmental and economic disaster.

    Think again......the ultimate responsibility for the integrity of these wells belongs to ....Big Oil.

    And coming full circle......why in the hell would I ever place my trust in those guys to do the right and moral thing?

    Geez....trust ain't worth much is it?
     
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    Sid Well-Known Member

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    Where is Buckeye T when we need him?
     
  4. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Nationalize them, Govt Oil would be so much better.
     
  5. George Krebs

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    Obama just gave BP and this particular rig a safety award. I say let's make Barry in charge of drilling. :lol:
     
  6. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Obama's administration has faced some serious scrutiny this week regarding this catastrophy.

    ....as well they should.

    Bush caught it for Katrina.......Obama bears the responsibilty for managing this mess.

    There is no time for cutting corners....playing favorites.....blaming others, etc.

    Ever ounce of energy....resource and truthfulness needs to be thrown at this problem.
     
  7. Tennessee Tom

    Tennessee Tom Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I agree with you that we need to attack this problem... not necessarily the president... but the problem, yes.

    The major issue as I see it is contracts. The drilling company should have contingency plans written to cover all foreseeable issues. This was a foreseeable issue. If that is not part of the contract with the United States, the oil company, foreign or domestic, does not drill. If they do not follow through with their plan, then the US pays to fix it while seizing the assets of that company within the United States borders.

    I don't think we can hold God to contracts or seize God's assets which makes Katrina a very different situation... and there are still lazy gold bricks that are collecting checks and living on the couch from that disaster.
     
  8. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I know a lot of people are working hard to blame Obama for this, saying he was slow to respond, but I'm not one of them. I blame owners/operators of the rig for the problem. Sure it's come to light that the Govt has been lax in inspecting those rigs, but from what I can gather it's not something that started with Obama, it's been going on for years and years. It just happened on his watch, if McLain had one I don't think anything would have changed. Hopefully now they will do a better job of inspecting, and maintence, maybe there will be a better response plan, sometimes it takes a disaster to make people agree to change.

    The Exxon Valdez resulted in changes in ship design and other things that has lessened the chances of another one happening.
     
  9. George Krebs

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    I don't blame Obama for this... what could he have done differently?

    I do blame him for allowing this little tinpot from Mexico come up here and stand on the floor of the Congress and lecture Arizona for protecting its borders from his refuse. That is disgraceful but consistent with Obama's inane need to kiss every despot's ass in the world. What a joke of a president this clown is. He wipes his feet on states rights and the Constitution.

    Throw Calderone in the back of a U-Haul and take back down to the Rio Grande and toss him in.
     
  10. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Obviously Katrina happening was not Bush's fault.

    The response though reeked.

    A similar response here on the oil spill issue would say that hey....that's the Louisiana coastal parishes' fiscal responsibility...those who are being soiled by the oil. If it's not in their city budget....then screw em....they are unprepared for what nature has wrought.
     
  11. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Un...freakin...believable.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2

    To those of you like George who have ever appreciated as I have the wondrous beauty of the Florida Keys....my empathy.

    Otherwise.....to think that the pristine Gulf of Mexico is being fouled in such a way is just a sickening thought.

    ...and of course....differing views:

    "In the midst of a panel discussion on the massive BP oil spill that's contaminated the Gulf of Mexico in recent weeks, Maher took aim at Republican radio personality Rush Limbaugh, who only days prior whipped up a firestorm of rhetorical controversy by claiming that such pollution is "natural" and will simply go away.

    "That's right, a petrochemical stew is very natural to wetlands," Maher scowled. "You know what, you dipshit? Mercury's natural too, but you don't put it in your Cheerios."

    Another of Limbaugh's recent and patently untrue statements on the BP oil spill -- that "environmentalist wackos" were to blame for the Deepwater Horizon rig's destruction -- was also met with similar disdain by Maher, who scoffed: "Every asshole who ever chanted 'Drill baby drill' should have to report to the Gulf coast today for cleanup duty."

    During his Friday broadcast, the liberal host also took aim at Republican Texas Governor Rick Perry, who suggested in a recent speech to the global warming denying Chamber of Commerce that the disaster was "just an act of God that happened."
     
  12. gipper

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    Where on earth do you lost souls get this crap? Oh let me guess, the same folks who have all the web sites that blame Bush for the taking down of the WTC reported that. In fact, I almost wish that some right wackos would start spreading the fiction that the Obama administration brought down the rig. The same assholes who believe that the US blew up the WTC would go nuts.
     
  13. Stu Ryckman

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    Typical to blame and ridicule Limbaugh and try to make him the issue...rather than to debate or discuss the reports that he is quoting from.

    If you're interested;

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/feds-fla-officials-differ-from-scientists-on-when-696723.html

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxVZPEia62NMX5dlz3lamD6wPv9gD9FMHP000
     
  14. Stu Ryckman

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    I think he didn't say or imply any direct involvement in the disaster...no conspiracy theory.

    What he said was that if we hadn't been forced to go so far off shore to such deep depths, maybe it wouldn't have occured or been easier to control. Maybe if we hadn't been blocking domestic drilling and nuclear power developement...he is saying that our policies are partly to blame.

    But let's not discuss these things...let's just call him an asshole and a dipshit and make our points like kids on the playground.
     
  15. Motorcity Gator

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    If this happened near shore and they contained the spill with same skill and aplomb they have been showing on this spill three states would surely be covered in oil by now.

    I for one.....and I am certain I am not alone....wouldn't trust these guys 10 miles offshore.
     
  16. Stu Ryckman

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    Near shore it might be less likely to happen and easier to stop, methinks.
     
  17. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Bp might say the same thing.....might.