14th Amendment

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  1. Stu Ryckman

    Stu Ryckman Well-Known Member

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    Is it the party organizations fault or are they the victims of the increasing radicalism on both the left and right? Are they a victim of their own gerrymandering policies whereby so many districts are so "one party" that the candidates fall over themselves to get the votes of the most radical of their party. The big battle is in the primary and not in the general election, leading to a lessening of influence of moderates in both parties.
     
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  2. BuckeyeT

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    Stu, you're right, in truth it would seem that there are a variety of factors. I think maybe where I was coming from is that I'm of the view that so many of the issues that confront us in that regard are a result of the lack of effective leadership, fwiw.
     
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    Trump wins the Xichigan case and the Colorado case but the Colorado judge comes up with a novel ruling that "It appears to the Court that for whatever reason the drafters of Section Three did not intend to include a person who had only taken the Presidential Oath.”

    a very curious interpretation to be sure, but does states for the record that
    Trump engaged in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech” at the Ellipse that day. She also found that Trump “acted with the specific intent to disrupt the Electoral College certification of President Biden’s electoral victory through unlawful means.

    Stay tuned.....

    Trump to remain on Michigan ballot after judge rejects another 14th Amendment challenge | CNN Politics

    Trump ‘engaged in an insurrection,’ judge says, but should remain on Colorado ballot | CNN Politics
     
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  4. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Sadly, to me at least, Texas Govenor Greg Abbott has come out and endorsed Donald Trump.
     
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  5. George Krebs

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    As we continue to watch this nation disintegrate on so many fronts, memories of the "good old days" under Donald Trump come to the forefront. Let's face it, optics are everything. We look at our severely impaired President, our college kids rallying for murderers, foreigners streaming over our borders, the weekly grocery bill, etc. and its clear that people are willing to dance with the devil again. And the obvious all-out assault by the Democrats to get Trump by any means necessary is clearly showing diminishing returns and may be having the exact opposite effect on him. I don't like the guy but I understand what's going on.
     
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    Krebsie, don't underestimate the bi-partisan nature of the anti-Trump coalition. I'm not a Dem, never voted for one and did vote for every single Republican presidential candidate on the ballot in my voting lifetime, including him in 2016. Never again....and there are millions of moderates and independents like me who have concluded that by his actions he has proven that he may be the single most unworthy candidate for the Oval Office in our history and in my view, likely disqualified by the 14th Amendment. He has betrayed his people, incited an insurrection, laid siege to our Constitution, disdainful of our military and it's tradition and heroes, indicted and soon to be convicted felon. Never again, I ain't a Dem but put me in the all-out assault camp. That we don't have a more qualified candidate than these two is the real tragedy in this election
     
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  7. Scott88

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    I suspect Buck T is correct which is why I keep hoping T will be disqualified somehow.
    I don't like the guy, but there's no way in HE!! I can watch the continued calculated destruction of our country by the Democratic Socialist party.
    Another 4 years with these folks in charge and you'll have to go way down the menu to know what number to press for English...
     
  8. George Krebs

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    I know several Republicans who have already said they will vote for Joe Manchin if he declares. But if Trump somehow makes it on the ballot I expect most if not all Republican politicians to fall in line rather than fall on their sword to save their own political futures. These guys are nothing if not gutless profiteers. The #1 thing this country needs, above everything else is re-unification.