The sad twist to the events this week at Penn State is that it will leave long lasting negativity surrounding Happy Valley like a dark enveloping cloud. It's tragic that others in the Penn St community who had no part of what went down.....and that's 99.99% of Penn Staters......will have to live with such a cloud and as one freshman girl is quoted in the article below some may even be concerned that their once proud Penn St diploma could deter them from even getting a job: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-joe-paterno-likely-forever-tarnished-by-jerry-sandusky-sex-abuse-allegations-111011 As unfair as it may be I think it's somewhat true. You have to wonder if the stigma will ever fade. For sure I think the football program is toast.
I don't believe that for a second....if you look at all the ingredients that it takes to make a successful program over time, PSU has them all in spades. Tradition, facilities, fan base, commitment and resources, natural recruiting base all suggest that PSU will be back. For certain they will be hurt by this but nothing that a quality coaching hire can't overcome in time....
The knee jerk reaction is the thought that no "quality" coach will even consider going there....especially when the ability to recruit quality players in the next few years will be severely diminshed. Some Penn St recruits have already said they are no longer considering Penn St as their destination.
Like I said, in the short term they will struggle but to suggest that given the abundance of all the necessary ingredients they have to thrive and prosper is a bit overboard. It's inconceivable to me that the program will not come back in time..... 110,000 seat stadiums, a passionate 500,000+ strong alumni base with a century old tradition of winning and the resource commitment to win from one of the country's largest schools in the heart of rich recruiting territory don't grow on trees. There will be plenty of quality coaches that would give their left nut to be in such a situation.....all in time.
How much time is the question. I thought this might be the very best fit for an Urban renewal but not now. No way he would step into such an uncertain....tarnsihed quagmire. The Buckeyes have a much better shot at Urban now but I don't know if he's ready for the pressure of the Ohio State job just yet.
In the end Paterno put his personal records and the football program ahead of the welfare of you children. That makes him scum and that is his legacy. Depending on what unfolds here, PSU may find themselves on the death penalty. How long has it been since SMU mattered in football?
I don't think PSU or any other school will ever get the death penalty. Plus this whole nightmare really doesn't have anything to do with NCAA regs on paying players, recruiting violations, etc. So I doubt if they'll have any NCAA troubles.
......and deservedly so. Terry I think George is talking about the "death penalty" in the context that the program could be so crappy.....so terrible over the next few years that they would become completely irrelevant as a destination for good coaches and football players. It will be a tug of war between that reality and with the fixed program attractions that BT listed. http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Penn-State-top-recurit-will-not-attend-school-111011
I am anxious to see how the nits respond on the field tomorrow. It could go either way, but being a home game, might be the deciding factor.
No, I was talking about "the" death penalty. But I guess there is no Morals code in the NCAA. What we know already about PSU, the football program and the principals involved is easily the biggest scandal in college football history. Add in the fact that Paterno gave Sandusky full access up until one week ago and he is in the coverup all the way up to his dyed hair. You still have the missing prosecutor, the possibility that Sandusky was pimping young boys to rich PSU donors and that Paterno made a conscious deal with him in 1995 and PSU can NEVER get the death penalty? JoePa hired a big time criminal defense attorney this morning according to a news report I heard. I didn't know he has been charged with anything. This is a long way from over.
Agreed. That locker room access granted Sandusky is perhaps the most damning....perplexing aspect of the whole mess. The guy should be dragged behind a car naked on asphalt and yet he is coming and going as he pleases in the Penn State football facilities??? That alone makes your stomach turn.
Im hearing this is going to spread like cancer to 75% of all campuses. This could be the end of College athletics as we know it.
Not sure exactly what that means Jif but I think we all sort of feel like long time Enron employees who just found out our erstwhile well respected CE0 Kenny Lay had ruined our jobs and retirement in a devastating betrayal of trust.
ESPNU gave a rather scathing review of the long term legacy for Penn State. As several recruiting experts have pointed out, Penn State is NOT in that sweet of a recruiting position. As noted, there's like 7 of the top 100 players in the country are from PA and Penn State has to fight the Big1G (but especially Ohio State) for those players. They also correctly noted that Kelly will 'poach' 2 of the top players from PA every year regardless. Mix in Rutgers regionally and other national powers (Miami, FSU, Alabama etc) who can come after the top players.. It's just not that talent rich of a state. They went through the numbers of other states and it was fairly astonishing. The "Joe Pa" effect on recruiting (which includes lying to and about players) can't be overlooked. For a long time kids went to PSU because of Joe Pa...because they bought into all of that higher ground stuff that Joe talked. I don't think a coach worth a bag of **** will even consider that job until we see just how far this all goes. You're a moron if you jump on board that ship until you see just how far they are going to clear out. Honestly, the state BOE should just clean house on the whole god damned place. It's the house that Joe built and it needs to be burned before it's clean enough for another 'family' to start again there.
I'm with the two Terrys on this one. I believe the underlying foundation at PSU is strong enough to withstand the devastating impact of this problem in the long term, however damaging in the short term. For BT's benefit, I compare it to a boxer who has been hit with a haymaker and goes down, gets up wobbly, keeps taking a beating, but eventually recovers to be standing at the end of the fight (with another boxer, of course). :lol: :lol: The question is, does he win, lose or draw? Stay tuned for a few years.
Write it down on your calandar...for the first time ever, I agree with Dave. I think the Nit's football program is toast. This investigation is only just beginning. Child-molesters like Sandusky start their criminal behavior as teenagers and never stop until they're imprisoned or someone puts a bullet through their head. There are probably thousands of victims going back to the 1960's and Sandusky worked at PSU since the 1970's. Eight more victims have come forward to be indentified since the original charges were filed and the lawsuits haven't even begun yet. The lawsuits alone will continue for decades. At some point, Penn State will have to duck and cover by closing down the football program permanently...
......KABAM!!.....my head just exploded.... :lol: I never thought much about the monetary civil actions that most assuredly will be coming down the road as it seems Penn State as an institution aided and abetted this criminal behavior.
The NCAA has stayed out of this because it hasn't started costing them money. The sponsors for this weekends game and next weekend's game involving Penn State have pulled their funding.. ESPN is losing money is pissed.. Wait till the lawsuits pile up, wait until it has a fiscal impact on the state, the conference and the NCAA.. and it will happen.
Penn St is involved in high profile games and what if the Nits play in the Big Ten title game? Can you imagine the sponsorship fallout from that one if they make it?