I paid a crap load....$175,000.00 That should be enough to keep me awash in Social Security bennies for a long long time.. To suggest that I haven't earned the benefits of SS doesn't even merit a response.
Sure thing....other than the fact that it's insolvent. Don't let that stop ya from kicking the can down the road........
I hear ya George. But for those of us who have more than paid into the system and then some.... it is asinine.....out of touch......elitist.....and oh...how about rude......to think we are just sitting here accepting that fate without comment.
Everybody should comment.....comment on the folly of sending BILLIONS to a the central government based on a promise of future benefits to ALL where it can be squandered and promises impossible to keep. Had you kept the money yourself, you would have been vastly better off.....why not send them more? Hope and change baby...... Comment on the folly of commenting about some "a$$hole ultra-conservative" foolish enough to identify there is a massive problem with the system and then propose real solutions..... Comment on the folly of demanding that others pay for the problems created by us and those that came before us when it became evident that it was obviously a f$%Ked up mess and refusing to address the problem on a timely basis..... Nothing rude there...just reality.The reality is that the system is insolvent. The system cannot pay the future stream of benefits under its present design without a) raising taxes b) reducing those benefits in some fashion c) accelerate deficit borrowing by a federal government already gagging under debt levels approaching those of banana republics...... So let's hear it.....let's hear the solution from the other side of the aisle and let's not forget that it was the a$$hole ultra-liberals that conceived this mess and fought like hell any reforms to address the problem. Please comment.....
Don't hold your breath Bill. The solutions our socialist friends develop to address the massive spending and corruption hole that are the basis of our country's social welfare programs will be forthcoming as soon as......
I have a simple comment. Since it's fruitless to expect that I get my money back I just want the benefits that my money should provide. Nobody has paid that freight but me. To expect me to feel otherwise about seeing the benefit of that withholding is curious at best.
Dave, We are all in the same boat. You act like you are the only one that will not reap the benefits of SS that you have been funding for years. I expect you to be livid about it. I would hope that you would see the light and do what I have done today to try to help change the situation we now find ourselves. Cindy and I took out the trash before 2-Nov!
Cha-ching.....Cha-ching......now that you've come to the realization that your interests are best served by NOT sending your money to the central government in the hope and dream that they send it back to you and you and your family are in a vastly better position by keeping the money that you've earned to your own decisions, why is it that you continue to support those in government that would have you send INCREASING amounts away from you and your family so that THEY can make your family decisions for you....? In my view, therein lies the philosophical differences in the political parties in our country today.....
Response #1 (liberals) - Worker #2, who has not had the good fortune to make nearly as much as you, has only paid in $25k over the last 20 years. Doesn't he need your benefits more than you do? Because you were so wealthy over those years, let's call it even and give you $100k in benefits and him $100k in benefits as well. Response #2 (conservatives) - Worker #2, who has not had the good fortune to make nearly as much as you, has only paid in $25k over the last 20 years. Doesn't he deserve the fruits of HIS labor for getting up every morning JUST as much as you do? You get your $175k, he gets his $25k. Uh-oh, but there's only $100k left of the combined $200k that was given to the government (big surprise). NOW how shall we split it? Response #1a (MCG's favorite) - it's not fair for those that paid in to not get what they "deserve" so let's pass the cost on for everyone under 35. Yeah, they can pay 2x, 3x, or even 4x our current rate for the same benefits. Response #2b (tea party?) - everyone (well, the half that still pay taxes) shares the burden of reduced benefits, later retirement age, increased taxes to fix the worst social welfare program thrust upon America (until Obamacare). Response #1b and 2a you can play for yourself. The problem is there is no easy way to dig us out of this situation. We didn't create the mess, but we're the ones left to fix it. And the true travesty is the fact that many of us see a similar situation in the making RIGHT NOW with little ability to stop it. Then, we have to deal with people like you that bitch and moan about the same situation EVERY ONE OF US IS IN, yet your answer is to pass the buck, with no personal accountability. Shame.
WSU, Fact #1 is that I am far from wealthy. With regard to SS you are supposed to get out of it proportionate to what you put in it......that's why they send those statements periodically to show you what that is going to be if you retire at certain ages. My former company had no retirement program except for a non-matching 401-K and I did contribute to it but could have done better for sure and then I took a 30% hit on it when I moved it upon getting laid off to fixed income/ cash preservation investment options within the program and which I am still in today......to afraid to move it out of that guaranteed 3% option. My home sale last spring didn't go so well which I have discussed above and that sale came after 8 months of paying for the SOB and also paying for a place for my family and I to live in the state where I found my new job. Then there's the relocation expenses.....it goes on and on. Anyway.......I am not in the enviable position of not counting on SS to assist me in the days when and if I ever retire. A cold hard fact brought by circumstances and certainly by some poor judgement as well. What's done is done however and I can only go forward with the options I have available and one of those is collection the SS payments that I have paid for.
.....and to hell with everyone else that comes after me. Quite a statement coming from a lib/dem whose primary life philosophy is to take from those that have and give to those that have not......except of course when it impacts them. Let the fraud continue.....
Uh sorry....but I absolutely do NOT believe in that sh*t at all. I do NOT believe in elitist MFers taking advantage of everyone they can and I DO NOT believe in free rides for the lazy and sorry. I believe in freedom.....and fairness.....and integrity over slyness.......and honesty over "gothcha"!!! Jeezus we need a new party......bad!!
Sorry pal, but I've been around here long enough to have heard you espouse that view regularly in one form or another and as importantly, perhaps moreso, support those who would and have implement policies designed to achieve just that.....
B/S I'll repeat: "I believe in freedom.....and fairness.....and integrity over slyness.......and honesty over "gothcha"!!! If that sounds like charity to you.....if those things do not agree with your philosophy then that's just the way it is I guess.
Freedom to keep the personal property that is earned as one's own works have provided and away from the confiscatory policies of the liberals and their designs for a social democracy????? You could have fooled me.... Fairness as in not having those that have achieved success unfairly penalized and forced to bear an unreasonable burden so as to benefit those that have not? You could have fooled me..... Integrity? Seriously.....organized labor, Bill Clinton? nuff said. You could have fooled me..... B/S is appropriate here, I believe. The bums have had their turn and have tried to inject an unprecedented amount of government intervention into the lives of US citizens and the citizenry will respond predictably and throw the bums out.....US citizens do not want, need or appreciate government intrusion into our private lives on a daily basis....perhaps the lefties will get the message....or they will sit on the sidelines.