Am I right in thinking that these guys want to cut Social Security? I get a little tired of johnny come latelys always wanting to change the rules of the game after the game is long since started. Credit card companies did just that when they came back in and crowed "gotcha" with all of their extortionary super high rates after you had already rang up a tab on low rate promises and now these guys want to cut bennies from two programs that I have contributed mightily to all of my life. In fact I have maximized SS contributions in each of the past 15 years. If they want to cut future bennies from a 25 year old......therefore putting him/her on notice that he/she had better start investing in something safe for retirement like the stock mar......no wait.....real esta.......no wait....company provided retirement pla.....no...wait.. oh the hell with it.......we are all screwed. :lol: :lol:
You lost me again. The Tea Party isn't running the country. The ultra-left San Francisco crazies are running it, along with the Chicago Machine, and they just cut half a trillion from Medicare to fund a new entitlement program that will destroy the greatest health care system in the world. How could anything be worse than that?
You do know that in order to fund the Obama care abortion that the Dems STOLE 500 billion from Medicare just to make it look deficit neutral? Apparently the Dem plan for Social Security is to take health care away from seniors making sure that they don't live long enough to break the system.
You make that sound like it was your choice, part of a plan you had...but you of course had no choice SS contributions are mandated, deducted automatically from your paycheck, along with medicare deductions.
That's true Terry.....but it's done.....and when the time comes I don't want some misguided ultra conservative a**hole taking away what I have already paid for.
Well.....they are broken. Their current position untenable...they are beyond broke by any rational measure. Either benefits will need to be reduced or the tax burden increased.....there is not if, only when. The longer we wait to address the train wreck that is our entitlements the greater the burden we put on our children and theirs. Perhaps it is only the "ultra conservative a**hole" that has the stones to effect change that is mandatory.....those that suggest that it is not are blowing smoke up your a$$.
MCG how can you be worried about some "conservative a**hole messing with social security or medicare when the Dems already have looted medicare. A brief history lesson about Social Security. First here's an article on how a "conservative a**hole president and conservative a**hole senator helped get Social Security back on a surer footing. http://www.doleinstitute.org/archives/wordsSocial.html Now here's an interesting article that shows how Clinton's dick got in the way of changes to Social Security in his administration. http://firedoglake.com/2010/05/18/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social-security-clinton-gingrich-bowles-and-the-pact/ A declining birth rate, increasing lifespan, and the loss of middle class jobs is creating a perfect storm that puts Social Secutiry in real jeopardy. Unfortunately, we don't have much in the way of political leadership in this country to do anything about salvaging it. The only time they seem to care about Social Security is when they use it in ads against their "conservative a**hole" opponents.
Tax people under 35 a greater Social Security tax. They haven't paid much in yet anyway in most cases so they need to pay the rate that will sustain it for themselves. I have already paid my dues.
Why not....let's just throw our kids and those that come after under the bus......no reason for us to have to sacrifice to prepare our society for their stewardship.....let them deal with it. Nice......
Dave, I can't believe you said that. As much as people have been calling you out for wanting to pass the bill to your kids... and as much as you have denied that... you go an suggest that others, the youth of today, foot the bill for your happiness?
Why should they when you refuse to???? Our generation and those who've come before us have demonstrably not paid our "dues" in a manner substantial enough to keep the current entitlement benefits system solvent.....else it wouldn't be broke..... So sure, let's continue to be in denial and pass the problem to our children when the burden will become that much more difficult....nice work.
Such ********. Read what I said about maxing out my own SS payments the last 15 years and hopefully I'll continue to do so for another 15.
... and if something isn't done about big government spending SS money, what you put in will not be there. You're suggesting that SS be rescued (read you getting money out of it) by the youth of today paying more. That is what you said whether you understand your own blurbs or not.
MCG's easy to figure out. He doesn't care about the pirating of Medicare since HE is going to get free Obama care. But mess with HIS social security and then it's not fair.
BFD - Millions of your contemporaries and those who have come before you have done the same.....and those payments have proven to be insufficient to keep the system solvent and provide for the expected future benefits. There is a massive shortfall and your solution is......let somebody else pay for it? :shock:
And I expect to collect what I have earned as they have. You seem to think I am on some sort of entitlement kick when all I expect from my 35 years of hard work to this point is a small slice of what Americans used to expect from their great country but things have changed dramatically for the worse for all Americans except for top elite.....such as worthless bank CEOs and financial managers. I know it's very hard to fathom for those elite SOBs that middle class Americans have suffered greatly in this hellish recession with issues such as home equity which has been wiped out for so many aging Americans. And the unemployment situation with Depression like numbers in Detroit effectively ended what should have been the job in which I earned the respect of a lifetime position through achievement[/b.....and I stress that BT because it was real, quantifiable achievement that made my company a ton of money......and yet it wasn't enough ultimately in that abysmal economic environment. Important stats from Dec. 11th 2008: President - George W. Bush Unemployment: 26 year high http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/business/july-dec08/joblessrates_12-11.html Dow: 8565....on it's way to under 7000 MCG: laid off from job of 23 years Some very real bad things happened to me the last time we had years of GOP control. I am afraid of what might happen after these November elections and I cannot believe there are enough stupid voters out there to invite back in more of the same elitist rip-off artists who feather their own nests and those of their elitists cronies at the extreme expense of average Americans. Meanwhile.......the Dow is now back over 11,000: http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/25/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm I just cannot wait to see what this conservative band of thieves has up their sleeves this go round. Repeal of credit card reform that protects average Americans? Exorbitant health care premium increases ostensibly for....."research"? Gas topping out at over $5.00 per gallon???? Repeal of Wall Street executive pay restrictions?? Maintenance of the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so they afford to give some of that cash to the rest of us in the form of $8.00/hr jobs?? :lol: :lol: Oh man....that last one cracks me up the most!
Yeah, and Mr. Hope and Change has done nothing to stem the rise of unemployment. On 60 Minutes last night they estimated that if you counted those that were unemployed, underemployed, and have given up working it's 17% nearly 1 in 5. Unemployment rate in December 2008 7.2% or as we like to call it THE GOOD OLD DAYS!!!! But they have passed legislation to try to protect those that aren't intelligent enough to responsibly handle credit cards.