American Dream?

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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Good article that examines our present state with objectivity:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/30/simmons.american.dream/index.html?hpt=C2
     
  2. JO'Co

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    What crap.
    The American Dream is liberty: individual freedom. The most important freedom that every American enjoys is freedom from government interference in their daily lives. All other freedoms depend upon that.

    Al Gore? He's a criminal. He personally profited from the Global Warming scam and a lot more about that should be revealed in his upcoming divorce as his ex-wife's lawyer seeks to determine the location and extent of his assets. He's currently holed up here in his fossil fuel burning mansion on the beach...

    "Cap & Trade" is just another government intrusion that will tax every American and (more importantly) control every American's behavior. Its just another way to rig the game; brought to you by the same crowd that took over the banks, insurance companies, labor unions and everything else that wasn't nailed down. What next? Put a meter in every home, car and classroom? They've already proposed that.

    The American Dream is hanging by a thread and I'm not sure than liberals ever understood what it was. The world has paid a high price for previous definitions of "freedom" that didn't include the individual at the heart of their philosophy...
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  3. Motorcity Gator

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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95679876

    "brought to you by the same crowd that took over the banks,"


    And that crowd would be?
     
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  5. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Damn...Jo'Co mentioned in another topic about how the GOP and W created so many jobs while they had the reins.

    Well.....pretty easy creating jobs that don't pay the bills while in the interim the price of healthcare, fuel and items such as home prices and automobiles was skyrocketing:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/business/economy/26income.html

    It took six effing years from 2000 to 2006 before there was a minute increase in average American wage....even if only by 1%.

    Nice going..... :roll:

    Man...the truth hurts:

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2006-02-23-fed-incomes_x.htm
     
  6. George Krebs

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    Can't give out raises if all your gross profit goes to pay taxes. You need to run your own business. Then come back here and tell us how foolish you feel about what you posted.
     
  7. gipper

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    By 2008 46.9% of "taxpayers" do not pay any Federal Income taxes. That means that the remaining 53.1% pay all of the income taxes.

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001289_who_pays.pdf
    We've reached a point that a near majority of Americans have no stake in whether or not taxes are raised and with more and more Americans receiving benefits from the government it's only a matter of time until they vote more and more from the treasury fiscally destroying the country. And they've found their champion whose obvious goal is to destroy the wealth and economic structure of this country.
    It appears that in order to accelerate the process the plan is to add the millions of illegal aliens to the voter roles tipping the balance and beginning the plunder.
     
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    A great future Obama is preparing for Anna huh Gip? You have better things to do than worry about these matters. Go hug that grandchild for all of us.
     
  9. JO'Co

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    re: "brought to you by the same crowd that took over the banks,"

    "The crowd" are those cynical statists who believe in buying votes with the people's money. It doesn't matter if they're Republicans or Democrats. I was opposed to much of what the Bush Administration did in several areas:
    1. Over spending to buy votes.
    2. Nation building in foreign policy.
    3. Open borders to allow in cheap labor.
    4. Never using the veto for six years.
    5. Gigantic pork barrell highway projects.
    6. Endorsing liberals in Republican primaries.

    It doesn't matter which party you're talking about. I was a registered Democrat until I was 30 and I refuse to be anybody's cheerleader. These clowns are supposed to work for us, not themselves.

    You seem to forget that GWB also inherited a recession. His way of dealing with it sure seems a LOT less destructive compared to what the Obamanites are doing. Never forget Rahm Emanuel's infamous words, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." The left-wing of the Democratic Party has used their majority to ram home every crazy dream on their wish list (regardless of cost) and rig the game to win elections in the future.

    It's an unsustainable model. Obama and his lefties want to make America look just like Europe. The problem, of course, is that even Europe doesn't want to look like Europe anymore. Socialism doesn't work. It can't work. As Margaret Thatcher said, "The problem with socialism, is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." This failure has already happened all over Europe, especially in the P.I.G.S. That's Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain. The Greeks have voted themselves a system where MOST of the people work for the government and of course, everyone also wants to retire at 50 with a nice government pension. In other words...nobody wants to work anymore. So the entire system has collapsed.

    That's our future under the Obamanites and that's what we oppose. It has nothing to do with Bush. This isn't a ballgame and it isn't really important "who started it." There's plenty of blame to go around for both parties. But what has happened to our country and our economy in the last two years is an attack on the very ideas that made this nation the envy of the world. We don't want our elections to be rigged like Chicago. We don't want our communities to have "San Francisco family values" and we sure don't want our economy to be run like California.

    At what point will this president and his fellow travelers admit their responsibilities? How many trillions must be spent and how many years must go by? How can we afford things like a massive new national health care system (that nobody wanted) when our other massive social systems, like Medicare, Medicade and Social Security are already going broke? Saying "Gerge Bush's fault" won't cut it. Where are the people in power now? They're spending us into oblivion as they're raising taxes across the board. When do we get to hold them responsible?
     
  10. Motorcity Gator

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    I agree with the tone of your post.

    I have stated I am not sold on Obama.....and I am not sold on the Democrats and their current strategy but equally.....possibly even more I am not sold on what went on during the Bush administration because I am willing to see as are a majority of Americans just where those 8 years has led us.

    We need some new solutions and the old "partisan government at all costs" methodology will lead us to abject failure.

    When I see either side exhibit that ardent partisanship I cringe.
     
  11. gipper

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    Some things to consider:
    1. during that time because of the global economy, the costs of consumer goods such as TVs and PCs declined increasing the average American's purchasing power.
    2. during that time interest rates remained low allowing Americans to refinance their mortgates and increasing their monthly non mortgage purchasing power.
    3. THE BUSH TAX CUTS. Even if wages didn't increase, Americans had more money left over after taxes and had increased purchasing power.

    Now what's happened to the American average wage in the past 1 1/2 yrs. and what will happen to the American purchasing power when the Bush tax cuts expire after this year?
     
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    I'd start with the crowd that instilled a pay czar to limit the pay of bank execs and then add the crowd that passed the Financial "Reform" Act that attempts to prevent in the future what they allowed in the past. Maybe it's "Crooked" Chris Dodd's way of trying to stop in the future what his friends at Countryside did in the past.
     
  13. Motorcity Gator

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    Excuse me but there is a significant majority of Americans who have no problem with this after their lousy performance over the 3 1/2 years immediately preceeding the implementation of the policy and the near bankruptcy of our economy.

    It's comparable to a baseball pitcher holding out for more millions after a season of 6 wins and 15 losses with an ERA of 6.90.
     
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    Excuse me but a significant majority of Americans didn't want health care. Since when did that make any difference :?:
     
  15. JO'Co

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    A majority of Americans favor the government deciding how much pay bank executives can receive? I doubt that. I don't know any Americans who're in favor of that and most of my colleagues are liberal Democrats.

    Where in the Constitution is the president or the Congress given the power to determine pay scales for private businesses? Be careful here. Remember, whatever one side does; the other side can do to. I fear that if these kinds of obviously unconstitutional practices aren't stopped, both sides will use the government to punish the other after each election. What next? Arrests and prosecutions?

    .......The United States of Venezuela...JO'Co
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  16. Motorcity Gator

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    Pulled this from an article dated July 15th:

    "A Bloomberg News poll released on Wednesday shows that a full 61 percent of respondents don't have interest in repealing the health care legislation that Congress passed earlier this year (47 percent want to see how it works, 14 percent say it should be left alone). Just 37 percent want the bill repealed (as is the wish of the Republican leadership).

    The numbers underscore increasing public approval of the health care reform law. It also illustrates the potential dangers the Republican caucus assumes by make the repeal agenda a major plank of its campaign platform."

    Also....the GOP as I read it wants to repeal the financial reform law as well.

    Do they/you have a quantitative reason behind a repeal effort for the Financial Reform Act? Please refrain from the rhetoric and bluster that the GOP so often likes to fall back on. What is the benefit of repeal to all Americans?
     
  17. JO'Co

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    There's a reason that these bills are thousands of pages long, they do a lot more than "reform"; they redistribute wealth and place political appointees in positions of power over private wealth.

    re: Health care
    The American people haven't gotten the bill yet. They will be outraged even more when they do. Some of them, of course, don't have to worry, because their exceptions and special privileges are built into the law. My younger son for example, is a Teamster...

    re:repeals
    Both health care and the Barney Frank Finance law must be repealed as a first step toward real reform. Both sets of laws place the federal government over the people and the states and give enormous, unearned power to politicians.

    The canard of the Democrats is to claim that Republicans or conservatives don't want reform of health care or Wall Street, because they oppose these extreme new policies. That's nonsense. The far left-wing of the Democratic Party rammed home these radical changes to the system and the laws are so poor that they must be repealed in their entirety before any real, lasting reform is possible. Remember, Republicans were literally locked out of any discussions of these proposed laws and no input was accepted; not even on the smallest points. Only 18% of Americans described themselves as "liberal" the last time that I looked and it seems that a greater percentage of our people should be allowed into the process than that.

    re: Barney Frank Act
    Where is the constitutional authority for political appointees of the president to do anything that is in this law?
     
  18. George Krebs

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    Congress is exempt from participation in Obamacare. That should tell you all you need to know.
     
  19. Stu Ryckman

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    George, in all fairness, I'm not sure that is entirely true.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/congress-exempt-from-health-bill/
     
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    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/august_2010/48_blame_obama_for_bad_economy_47_blame_bush :) :) :)