so you know they are going to get into trouble. 7-10 Tenn football players involved in a bar brawl. Probably said he liked Lane Kiffen!! :roll: Vol Brawl
Don't know the full story yet but two charged. Second offense for one of the two and he has been dismissed. The other has been suspended indefinitely along with one that wasn't charged. Dooley is showing that he will not stand for off field incidents such as these. Tennessee NCAA Compliance office is looking into the issue with this bar giving athletes "VIP Status".
Well the Indiana Excise Police busted an off campus party and arrested 43 Notre Dame Students, including 11 athletes for MIP. I don't think much will come of this from what I read. I mean it was a party with college kids, and shocking as it is they were drinking. No fight, or stuff like that just busting kids having fun. Joe Montana's son Nate was one of those busted for MIP. The police came in a response to a call about a fight, and discovered a party instead. :roll: Party
Read that someone was taken to hospital with a hand laceration. Also that Tim Abromaitis was arrested as well.
They seem to have had one of these every year for the last couple of years at ND. I think it was last year that there was a big party off campus that resulted in a large number of kids being caught underage drinking, including a TE who was already on some type of probation for a DUI, which a MIP violated. He was dismissed. In that one Mike Golic's kid was caught up as well.
Of course right now there is much derision of the Indiana Excise Police as being Nazi thugs, dickless dickwads, etc. I don't know what the solution is though. If you have a big party (even if you didn't intend for it to be a big party) at some point a neighbor or somebody is going to call the cops if for nothing else than the noise. If you are making too much noise they probably will give you a break and ask you to tone it down and if everybody is acting respectful leave it at that and move along. I don't know what they do if they see what are obviously a bunch of underage drinkers. I mean if they just ask you to keep it down and later that night a party participant is involved in an accident where there is injury, what happens then when it comes out that the cops could have prevented it by taking him/her into custody and giving them a MIP and a seat in the county jail? Some say the solution is a 18 y/o drinking age. Certainly would solve the MIP problem for college kids, but I can't see that happening as the political pressure will be very high that it will increase drunk driving. It might, I don't know.
Oh and Stu was right, there was apparently a fight at the party. Stu, suprised that you knew who Tim Abromaitis is.
Turns out the person transported was a girl who cut her arm breaking out a window....smart move. The kid throwing the party turned out to be a ND Hockey player, and there were a lot more ND athletes than originally reported, but from minor sports not more football or basketball players. ND athletes arrested
Terry, you don't mind hanging out with those childish a**h*les on NDN? I've stated previously that my son-in-law is a member of the Indiana Excise Police. I would challenge every single one of those d*ckless cowards on NDN to look him in the eye and say the things that they say in writing. He wouldn't do anything. He'd just stare right back at them, shake his head, and smirk at the stupidity of their comments and their thinking.
I do remember that your son-in-law was a member of the IEP. I am at a loss to figure out what people actually think should be done with underage drinking. Certainly college students drinking has been around as long as there have been colleges and mead/wine/beer/grog whatever. I am not aware of the drinking culture at ND during your time there, but during the 86-90 years when my nephew was there it was more permissive than it is now. I remember him saying that one of the duties of a freshman was hauling the cases of beer to the dorm from the parking lot. When I was an undergraduate, I was caught with a fake ID in a beer joint in San Marcos Tex. The cop told me and my friends to get in our cars and go back to Austin...NOW! Certainly that wouldn't likely be done these days even in San Marcos Tex. I don't have the answer, but to kids of course it's just cops trying to ruin their good times. Terry
On Blue-Gold Illustrated a month ago there was overwhelming support to legalize marijuana after Ragone was pulled over speeding and hid his stash in his date's purse. Today they want to lower the drinking age to 18 since seven of the players were caught drinking. I feel as Sid does so I am not well liked on the BGI BB.
That's it... don't listen to authority and do the right thing... Change the laws to make the illegal actions legal... So, this time 20 years from now, we will be wanting to lower the drinking age to 15 and cocaine doesn't look as bad as some other drugs so let's make that one legal as well. At what point will it end? I am not saying this because it is Notre Dame. This is happening across the country and I don't see an end to it.
I can't argue with Tom's logic. I have no doubt if drinking age is lowered to 18 then you will have more 15-17 y/o's drinking, their 18 y/o friends will buy it for them. There was a period in Texas where the drinking age was 18, I don't know what the impetus was for the change back to 21. I suspect it had something to do with stats provided by MADD. I do know that really nothing will stop (most) college students from drinking and partying. I don't know what the answer is as I said before, lowering to 18 will solve the college students problems. But what will be the unintended consequences? Increase in alcohol related accidents?
Now, before I get connected with MADD, I will say that I don't see eye to eye with their zero tolerance ideas. I am sure that most here know that I am more for zero tolerance than I am lowering the drinking age or legalizing marijuana. I know that as a teenager, I was nowhere near the maturity level necessary to make life and death decisions required for responsible alcohol consumption.
Hmmm in Florida in the early 80's the legal age was 18 to be able to drink. I can't remember anyone buying me or my friends alcohol before I turned the legal age. I can't remember more alcohol related accidents during that era either...Can you? I do have a problem when a man or woman is considered an adult at 18 and can be sent to war to die for this country, can be locked up as an adult and possibly executed for a crime, can be sued as a legal adult for a breach of contract but cannot buy him or herself a drink. Please show me the common sense in this noble idea because I have somehow missed it... RC
RC, Spend a little time volunteering at your local fire/rescue department. Drinking and driving is not something that only the youth do... but when youth and inexperience are combined, it usually has more fatal results. I would agree with your argument with this stipulation: If an 18 year old enlists in the military, he/she is then able to drink at 18. I trust the judgement of those that are going to have the guidance of our military much more than I do the judgement of Billy Joe Jim Bob that has the mental capacity of a grub worm.