Broken Budgets

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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    With local state GOP members touting cuts and slashes in taxes and state operating expense consider that some of those cuts are far reaching such as the now understaffed, OT avoiding state permit offices.

    We are now starting to encounter serious delay in getting our high and wide permits issued for some of the very large boats we are hauling around. It actually cost us money when we have such delays so I guess while the states get their budgets in order the transportation industry eats the cost.
     
  2. gipper

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    Meet Maywood, CA. In 2006 they declared themselves a sanctuary city and disbanded their traffic division which was discovering too many undocumented folks.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/21/local/me-maywood21

    Meet Maywood today, a city without any employees. Liberal policies with no fiscal restraint
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/06/sheriffs-dept-to-patrol-maywood-while-city-employees-now-face-lay-offs.html

    I'm guessing that the city leadership had not GOP members. :lol:
     
  3. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Different issue Gipper.

    I am actually a hardliner in agreement with Arizona in kicking out all illegal immigrants and keeping them out.

    I think all of those minimum wage/no benefit jobs created in the George Bush era should be held available for American citizens...... 8)

    But seriously....I much more hold the GOP view on this issue.
    It's one of my "moderate" traits.

    Otherwise...back to the state's budget crisis that abounds nationally.....it may seem like a good idea to let the dogs who have fleas sleep outside but I think those fleas just may be getting the house anyway.
     
  4. Terry O'Keefe

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    States, Cities and Counties all over the country are facing hard times. Many have manditory balanced budgets and the populace is not keen on raising property taxes, or other taxes so they have to have cuts. These cuts always impact somebody who thinks there job/program/whatever is extremely important. Not saying that important things aren't going to be cut , but that unless the residents want tax increases to cover the cost of maintaining or increasing services, they (we) are going to have to endure changes.

    Of course maybe Obama will declare a couple of Quardrillion dollar stimulus plan for state/local goverments! :)
     
  5. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Yeah....I hope you don't have a big boat to move anytime soon.... :wink:
     
  6. George Krebs

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    Who the hell can afford a big boat? Or the fuel to power it?
     
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    I thought it was a perfect demonstration of what happens when governmental units don't slash expenditures. Whatever....
     
  8. Motorcity Gator

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    Seemed to me to be more tied in with the illegal alien issue...at least that was your inference I thought.

    That being the case or not I would like to see some across the board examples of what happens when regular communities don't do the budget house cleaning they need to do. Bankruptcy?

    I can't even imagine for example how the state of Michigan will even field a state police anymore amongst other services given the monetary constraints that the state must be facing.
     
  9. Motorcity Gator

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    I know George....and it all turned to crap just a scant 17 months ago... :wink: :D
     
  10. Stu Ryckman

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    It's all Bush's fault.

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  11. Motorcity Gator

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    What's this with it is all Bush's fault.

    Hey...he couldn't fu@k it up as bad at it was f@@ked up all by himself.

    He had plenty of help I'm sure as well as some economic dynamics that would have nailed any sitting President to the wall.

    But to suggest that Obama is doing anything other than scrambling to dig out from a disastrous mess that he inherited is not acknowledging history.
     
  12. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    What was your take when after Bush took office and the stock market which peaked before he took office and then declined during his first term till sometime after 2003 or 2004? Was it Clintons fault? How about when it took it's run up to it's peak in 2008, was he screwing up then?
     
  13. Motorcity Gator

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    Again....trying not place too much of the blame on Bush alone but he was the man in charge......when the groundwork for collapse was laid.

    But really....the main reason I bring it up is because sometimes people act like Obama is screwing around with something that was already working.....when in fact the machine was reduced to rubble by the time he took office...i.e..the absolute worst and longest lasting recession since the Great Depression.

    This isn't fantasy....it's a cold reality that Obama stepped in to.

    If anything you may want to question the judgement of a man that would take on such a daunting task.
     
  14. Stu Ryckman

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    The collapse was worldwide, by the way.

    The real estate crisis was set up by both Republican and Democrat politicians...as well as consumer and Wall Street greed.
     
  15. Motorcity Gator

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    Those things are true Stu.

    A nasty situation for a new president.
     
  16. Cindy McCord

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    Oh yeah
    Our government was broken. But throwing money at it by the billions and taking over every company that moves is not going to fix it. That's like putting kids in front of the TV or video games to avoid actually parenting them. You stop the craziness for a minute, but it comes back stronger than ever.
     
  17. Motorcity Gator

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    Well......SE Michigan effectively has about a 25-30% unemployment rate if you count those who have stopped looking, my relative who drives 80 miles one way just to keep his job and an old aquaintance who decided he likes working in the Publix deli rather than seek a new job in real estate like the one he had or....even a guy like me who decided it wasn't worth sticking around Detroit to see if things were going to get better or even survivable.

    All of the above and GM and Chrysler were saved from liquidation by throwing billions at them and I actually was able to sell my house with the help of a tax credit for the buyer and the city not quite totally in the toilet.

    Can you imagine that dismal place if liquidation had in fact occurred?

    Hey...this was 6 months ago but I'll venture things haven't changed all that much:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/detroits-unemployment-rat_n_394559.html

    FIFTY PERCENT????

    Damn....lawyers and funeral home directors must be the only ones prospering.....
     
  18. George Krebs

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    I would venture that liquidation will occur. When interest rates go up the phoney money that is propping up cities like Detroit will dry up and the defaults will follow quickly.
     
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    Well here's a story that explains why local governments are having tax shortfalls. And at the same time it shows how greedy those yacht-owning Repu.....er Democrats are.
    http://detnews.com/article/20100724/POLITICS03/7240355
     
  20. JO'Co

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    How about this town?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-20/california-official-s-800-000-salary-in-city-of-38-000-triggers-protests.html