Terry, I want to publicly apologize to you for my kneejerk, inappropriate comments. I thought after yesterday's debacle that I was under control emotionally, but I guess I wasn't. You are a cool, intelligent guy whom I consider to be a good friend. I hope our friendship can survive my personal meltdown. I'm sorry.
Tim, Terry & George............... <t>Agree............ IMO he was toast after the Navy game just by the way we were beat in that game. Notice something that always shows in CW teams, look how lethargic they look for long periods of times during games. They can start out with a nice 80 yard drive then just disappear on both sides of he ball. This is a long pattern and is why Charlie while set for life with big bucks is now out of a job.<br/> As I do almosy every week I go back and watch the tape to confirm what I watch live. You guys know how I kove this defense and how we keep players like Harrison Smith, John Ryan, late hit Sergio Brown etc on the field is beyond me. These guys are not D-1 players and are a part of the worst tackling team in ND history IMO. As I said on the two turtle senior tackles the fact that they are out there game after game and we never pull them out of the lineup no matter how badly they play speaks volumns about the coaches from Weiss to Corwin Brown. <br/> On our AD I agree with Terry but pray he is fudging in what he has been doing behind the scenes. I cannot imagine this man in his position not being ready to go full bore when the beating is over versus Stanford. <br/> This hire is huge for ND football and the guy better get it right.</t>
Sid, I read your post from last night and thought: "That's not the Sid I know." I read the one from about 12 hours later: "Now THAT is the Sid I know."
George, you first said Charlie should be fired two seasons ago. Although I never said anything, I thought you were nuts. In the end, you were right, and you saw it a year or two before anyone else did. You not only aren't nuts, I am ready to join the Cult of Krebs. When do you want all of my assets signed over to you?
Hold your assets, Bob. At least until April 15! I take no satisfaction from this but I could see right away that Charlie was first and foremost an OC and that exhibited very few qualities of a head coach. Two things tippped me off early. He will scrap his game plan at the first sign of trouble and he has very little interaction on the sidelines with anyone but Jimmy Clausen. He is a contradiction within himself... a great recruiter who cannot coach up that same talent. He can draw up elaborate game plans and plays but cannot teach the fundamentals of blocking and tackling. And while many players express their love for him, they usually come out of the tunnel as flat as pancakes. I have the advantage of some inside information lately and without going into too much detail lets just say that everyone is not on the same page, both players and coaches. Charlie shows all the signs of a boss who wanted to be friends with his "employees" more than be a real boss. That does not make him a bad guy. They need a take charge guy now who will demand respect first, will be a hands on guy and the friendship and comeraderie will follow shortly after.
There is no rational explaination for this year's record other than our coaching is unacceptable. The last two years were like watching Michigan last year and this year. Youth and lack of talent and depth are reeking havoc with that program and the fans are ready to dump RR. Even a successful coach as RR was at W. Va can't win with inexperienced teams with no depth. Charlie's demise was his hiring of Minter and Tenuta on the D and Latina on the O line. D line recruiting was a recipe for disaster.
So when he announces he's stepping down for health reasons you're not gonna buy it? I think that's how this will play out. Of course he'll be speaking about he health of the ND football program.
I don't have a dog in this hunt but I do want all my Notre Dame friends, and I mean that sincerely, to find their coach, be happy with him and happy with each other. From little I know about these situations I am sure that gipper has a handle on what is going on and how it might play out. For the last five years I felt Charlie was going to work out for you guys but apparently it won't. Tom's post said your situation is like Tennessee's a couple of years ago and I would say like ours with Zook five years ago. We never had a losing season with Zook, but he was not successful either. In my opinion he was something like you guys are saying here, a good assistant but not a head coach, he will probably be out in Illinois either this year or next. Anyway, the Gators had life after, it looks like Tennessee is on the right road and I believe Notre Dame will also. The new coach should have some talent to work with on the offensive side of the ball, defense?? Anyway I'll try to stay out of you guys way, root for you to get a good coach, like I said not Meyer, and Notre Dame returns to their status of one of the best every year. Good luck.
I don't care what excuse he uses for resigning. Health would be a good one because he is in bad health. In fact, that would be a good way for this to end. That would also be a great way for him to stay with the university in some capacity while he gets himself together and plans his own future.
George, your post several up about Weis makes me think of Zook. The players seemed to love him but for the wrong reasons. Meyer installed discipline to the program, and a desire to win. He said on more than one occasion that the team that is more invested wins close games that are in the 4th quarter. His teams do that, Zook's did not. I believe a leader can be demanding, get results and still be liked. A not leader can be liked but not get results.
George, You're not a heretic, I never hope you took any of my postings to mean such. What I am saying is... you hate to see an ND man fail. He's said and done the right things, he's just not a head coach. I think that is abundantly clear now. As you pointed out, he is a great OC type.. he can draw it up, but someone else is going to have to teach it. I believe Gipper makes a strong point as well about some of his initial hires really put him behind the 8-ball. Bob Davie and Ty Wilingham were not ND men and I am not talking about their class rings... Willingham, further, turned out to be a bad human being. I would like to point out while we're out this low point that Weis made a few of those hires via snap judgment that calmed the hysterical whining of many who wound up calling for Charlie's head.. I agree with you 100%, my point is and has been... we knew he hadn't been a head coach. You can't hire someone who has never held a job and not expect some growing pains. It is, or should be now, that Notre Dame is not a place for a HC to go through growing pains. He has to be a ready made product by the time he signs the contract. While I always respect and love Larry's take, I don't 100% agree about the talent level. You are overlooking the fact (and again, this is a Weis mistake) that we spent 2 years recruiting 3-4 base defense talent and then...... went out in the 'make or break' year switching back to a 4-3... WTF? We have DI talent, they are out of position. I have long contended that Sergio Brown is no better than a steady backup/nickleback type of guy. I never understood why so many begged for him to play, but I did notice that many who spent years whining for him to be in the lineup are now throwing him under the bus. Now can we all stop nit picking and arguing over semantics , wish Weis and the boys the best and go beat that motherf*cker Harbaugh?
ND <t>Well my hope that CW would go quietly/peacefully is out the window. Says he WON'T resign so that's that. You would think as much as professes to love ND he would take the high road but I guess not. I don't know what I would do if I were in his shoes either so I guess I shouldn't be critical but surely he must recognize that he's just not getting the job done.</t>
I'm sorry, but how is it that people expect football coaches who stress to their teams "play to the whistle", winners never quit and quitters never win" to just quit on their teams before a season is over. They aren't built that way. Quite frankly, who could they ever look their players in the eye after that?
ND <r>Gipper,<br/> <QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> That doesn't apply to CW<br/> <br/> I get your point but he has to realize he just doing more harm than good to the school he loves.</r>
Weis would be an idiot to resign. He would be leaving between $10-18 million on the table. I don't think I could respect that. He will have to be shown the door. From what I'm hearing the Tenuta hire was a complete disaster from every point of view.
Let's face it, why would someone not turn his back on getting his family 10-18 million when had could do what's right for ND fans. Everyone knows when it comes to your family and your school, you choose your school every time.
ND <t>Yeah your right....take the money CW, don't let them off easy. That's what we all would do. The hell with what's right. <br/> <br/> Maybe he'll really do it right and make the police escort him off campus!!</t>