The GOP would do well to listen to intelligent political contributors like Powell over caustic entertainers like Limbaugh: "During a speech on Monday, Powell said the "the Republican Party is in deep trouble" and said the GOP would be better off without Limbaugh, according to a report by the National Journal. "I think what Rush does as an entertainer diminishes the party and intrudes or inserts into our public life a kind of nastiness that we would be better to do without," Powell said."
And where is his critique of the nastiness coming out of the left? I'd put much more weight into his statement if he took on all the divisive elements in the media (MSNBC is an entire network of 'Limbaughs of the left')..Yet nary a word. Why are these people so busy talking about the GOP and its demise when they are suppose to be leading the country?? Because they don't know how to lead, that's why.
Of course, the only person you ask for clarify from is 'on the right'. Are you going to deny that what Powell is saying does not echo (word for word) what has been said for months now by Rahm, Obama, Pelosi et all? Nice attempt to move away from my point though... They continue the attacks because they don't know how to lead.
Appears to me Powell is saying simply that the GOP doesn't need the nastiness that Limbaugh brings. That has been my feeling on Limbaugh or others like him for a long long time. Why is it to me that the GOP is where this kind of hard line rhetoric is so much a part of the gameplan as it has been around here on this board for a long time as well.
When the public wakes up and realizes what has transpired and is still to transpire there will be a political revolt and a headlong rush back to conservatism. When unfathomable amount of debt, coupled with an avalanche of onerous taxes and an almost complete loss of individual freedoms finally dawns people will be shocked to the right. I think Obama will one day be known as the "Father of 21st Century Conservatism".
Or better yet....he can be known as the Father of the American Taliban... :wink: The far right in this country reminds me of the Taliban except without the Koran. I'll bet in some rural areas of the US there are GOP right-wing Mudrassas... :shock: I can see Rush emerging as the leader of this new sect..... :lol:
When you start comparing Americans with a conservative philosophy (me) with the Taliban ( homocidal Muslim terrorists ) then that concludes the debate because you have nothing of value to support yourself. Maybe they'll interview you on The View !
George...I see you as more of a moderate than far right. I wasn't referring to you but more the Limbaugh types who are as rigid and intolerant it seems to me as the Taliban. Think....always pissed off people.....who want you to do it their way or else and they have no compassion or understanding for anything else.
Your last line could very easily describe the far left, couldn't it? They have all the power and yet they are still angry and shrill. Is there a lesson there?
.....fill in the blank either way but in general I think the far right is a little meaner...a little nastier as Powell alluded to.
I think what gets lost in all this is that you can be ultra-conservative politically without being ultra-conservative socially. Corey often alludes to the "Jesus freak" right wingers and I sometimes have been inclined to take offense to that because I think it stereotypes born-again Christians in a very negative light. However, I totally understand the perspective that he offers and I appreciate it. I think that W has had a lot to do with this notion that conservatism means ultra-religious. It doesn't. I consider myself politically conservative and moderately socially conservative. I believe in less government and I think the government should interfere very little with my everyday life and with business. There are some programs that I feel are necessary to help people with less out. However, I also believe that the foundation of this country was built on the backs of those who were, perhaps, underpriviliged by birth but rose to the top because of values like hard work, determination, and pride. They were too proud to take handouts and they chose to earn their way instead and many, many of them succeeded and continue to do so. That is the American dream. It isn't being in debt to your eyeballs and then expecting the government to come along and bail you out so you can keep you castle in suburbia and drive vehicles that you know you can't afford but you have to have so that the people you see at the redlight will think you are successful. That is what's really wrong with this country and its economy in my opinion. And that is the reason that I don't think any help should be offered to the banks, the auto industry, or anyone else. Sometimes people need a reality check. When that reality check makes them look in the mirror at themselves, they often can find what they need within themselves instead of looking to the government. When that gets taken away by liberals like Barack Obama and others, the America that I love will die.
I agree with a lot of what you say there Aquila but I do think that the playing field is not level sometimes and people in certain positions of power and influence can take advantage of other, hard working people and it's not right and it needs intervention. The best example of that is Enron. People lost their jobs and their life savings which they were forced to put into Enron....a losing proposition. The fact they needed a little help afterward is no shame and neither is it a shame for the millions upon millions of workers who are out of a job in this crisis due to no fault of their own. Not everyone up here in Michigan that is out of work is a UAW worker although some very dense opinions around here keep wanting to infer it.
There is no one meaner than the far left in America. If you want to start a subject dedicated to this, I will show you time and time again that those on the far left not only target, but destroy, those who oppose them. My God, Rahm is known as the meanest and most vindictive, nasty MoFo in Washington DC. You are comparing a radio talk show host to people who are actually creating policy... How don't you see the laughable nature of this?
First, there was nobody that was "forced" to put their life savings into Enron.....none, zero, nada. No doubt there are those that decided to do so and made a very unwise decision. That said, the numbers of people that got crushed in the Enron crime - and many of those perps are either dead or in jail - are miniscule in comparison to those whose lives were crushed, life savings wiped out, pensions in jeopardy, jobs lost by the foolish, shortsighted, narrowminded actions of the UAW and the generation of mismanagement by the Detroit automakers.....surely you must see that.....
While we're talking about the "nastiness" of the right let's remember how Joe the Plumber was treated by the left and their allies in the media. We see the same nasty personal attacks on poor Carrie Prejean who did nothing more than dare to tell the truth to a loaded question. Attacking Sara Palin wasn't enough, they had to go after her family. It's the left that is the one who destroys anyone who gets in their way whether they are political targets or just ordinary citizens. It figures that they now would launce a hypocritical attack on the "nastiness" of the right. They preach tolerance but are completely intolerant to those that don't think their way. They champion the "rights" of enemy terrorists but ignore the contractural rights of bond holders. They fear Limbaugh not because he's "nasty" it's because he has the balls to confront and oppose them. They'll be working on some ******** law to silence talk radio on the right. Like every other right in the Constitution, freedom of speech is ok when they dessent from the administration in power, but when someone opposes them, it's nasty, it should be curtailed. And their idiot followers buy that ****.
All I have so to say......is I vehemently hate hypocrits..... BT...I guess I have to ask your specific meaning of the chasing the tail graphics because I'm not getting the direct meaning of it.... ...and....do I get this right BT...you are defending Enron??? Is that really the case??? If that is true then I will truly understand like never before where you are centered in future discussions although I have already suspected as much. Wow... :shock:
I didn't read T's response that way at all... Again, I hate to put words in a guy's mouth but maybe I will try to play translator here. Enron was 1 scam that cost people a ton of money over a short period of time. The UAW is a scam that has spanned several generations and destroyed many more lives (and cities). No one put a gun to anyone's head and said 'Give your money to Enron!' However, you can't say that no one ever put a gun to someone's head and said "Join the UAW or just give us your money" Enron is just one awful scam perpetrated by a few individuals. The UAW is a Government sanctioned scam that attacks it's opponents financially, emotionally and physically.