State Sovereignty

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  1. AQUILA

    AQUILA New Member

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    The problem with that is... the moment you mention 'states rights' people from the Baby Boomer generation on up automatically think of segregation.
     
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    ... and maybe segregation is what we need.

    We have as diametrically opposed opinions and ideas today as we had in 1861. Not about the type of slavery we had back then, but the type we have now with liberal government attempting to enslave us all. At what point will a segment of our country be ready to take on the monster it has created?
     
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    I don't know about segregation, but actually following the GD rules as they were written would be nice.

    The role and power of the state has been rapidly dimishing over the past 60 years and IMHO plays a MAJOR role in the reduces responsibility society we live in today...

    Make these states stand on their own..

    The problem with states rights, historically, in the United States is that someone decides that brown people can't eat with white people and at that point in time... the fight is on.

    IMHO, the racists made this increase in Federal power possible.
     
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    I will break bread with anyone of any color... Heck, I've eaten with the Irish several times. :shock: If I'll do that.... :wink:

    I will even sit down with my enemies (read liberal scum) that want to take what I have and give it to others that don't want to work for it. However, it will be a given that there will be some sort of firearm pointed at their crotch under the table. One false move toward my meatloaf and they won't ever have kids. 8)
     
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    We're a tough bunch we usually grew up in large families where only the strong and fast survive at the dinner table!
     
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    The Irish I was referring to is Diane and JO'Co
     
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    Tom,

    Don't get me wrong, I am all about a return to proper state power and original distribution of power between fed and state... I've just engaged in this debate soooooo many times for decades now and the very first card played is the klan card...
     
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    I'm not a "South will rise again" kind of guy but if you could somehow get people to see past that and understand that many of our country's founders believed that this nation should be a loose union of states agreeing to work together for the greater good then you may get somewhere. Our federal government has grown by leaps and bounds past what was originally intended. It doesn't take reading too much of Jefferson's writing to realize that. The bad part is the power of the federal government grew exponentially with a Republican "conservative" in charge. Just imagine what we're in for with the democrats running the show.

    What bothers me most about all of these "stimulus" packages and "bailouts" is the fact that my 10 month old son will most likely pay the price for my generation's ignorance.
     
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    Naw, you'll probably get a chance to pay for it, too...us graybeards, who may be more responsible for it than your generation, might get to skate on out of here before the bill comes due.
     
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    Looks to me like we're kinda paying for it now...... :shock:
     
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    I think he's talking about the bill that will come due for all the spending and government programs we're putting in.

    I would opine that most of the suffering that my IRA is going through is not the fault of the Obama Administration, though his policies may prolong the agony.
     
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    I agree that I'll be paying for it monetarily for the rest of my life probably with little hope of a decent retirement at an early age. However, thinking big picture, I think it's my generation's ignorance that will let the United States deteriorate into something that it was never intended to be. Case in point, the young voters voted overwhelmingly for Obama and his socialist policies. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that taxing the piss out of the wealthy investor is not a great idea when the stock market is in free-fall. However, my generation loves the buzz of celebrity (much like Europe apparently) and buys into every load of bull that Obama spews from his teleprompter. And in Congress making things worse you've got the evil witch of the west wielding her power.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily disagree entirely, but I would opine that his populist war against "Wall Street", the banking, finance and "investor class" , the complete lack of confidence the capital markets have in his administration's ability to address the challenges and the implications of the stimulus and budget proposals are completely the fault of the Obama administration and are at present a material factor in our circumstances........I smell it, I hear it, it is palpable, it's real and I feel it and see it each and every day.