ND coaching changes

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  1. Tim Gentry

    Tim Gentry Well-Known Member

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    If I'm reading this all correctly and I hope I am, it goes something like this:

    Tenuta IS the DC
    C. Brown is Asst. HC and Co-DC and will probably be in charge on the sidelines
    CW is the OC and will probably end up play calling from the booth.
    Verducci is the OL and Running backs coach.
    8)
     
  2. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    To be honest I don't think it's smart for Charlie to move himself to the booth. I can see the Co-Coordinators role for Corwin and Tenuta, sometimes that's mainly a payroll issue. Stoops has gone the Co-Coord route his entire time at OU, Venables of course has been there the whole time but Mike Stoops, Bo Pellini and whoever is there now have always been co-coordinators.

    Back to Charlie. All of this is being speculated because we had such an offensive outburst vs Hawaii. But Hawaii wasn't a very good team, so it's false to assume that because the big man was upstairs he saw stuff he didn't see from the field. It was Hawaii. I can't think of another headcoach, ever, who coached from the pressbox. It's a bad move, IMHO.
     
  3. George Krebs

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    Charlie just takes up space on the sidelines. Plus he now needs at least one bodyguard to protect his injured legs.

    When he is play calling the bench could be on fire and he wouldn't notice it. Face it, he's is retreating back into his comfort zone, what he does best. And to do that job best you need to have the proper vantage point.
     
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    You sayin' I ain't a head coach, you snot-nosed punk?
     
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    I wonder how much Charlie's recovery plays into this?
     
  6. Terry O'Keefe

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    Joe watches the games from the Press Box, he doesn't actually coach anymore. And Joe in his prime would have never gone to the box.

    I do think that this whole thing is fueled by two things.

    1) his legs
    2)big win over Hawaii.

    On #1, I think he's going to be in better shape physically than he was most of last year by the time the season rolls around. So I think it's a moot point.

    On #2, with Clausen in the Zone like he was, Charlie could have called in the plays from the balcony of the Sheraton Waikiki. Hawaii was no match for Clausen and two excellent WR's that day. If he bases his decision on that it's a big mistake.
     
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    Charlie needs to hit a HR this year. Anything less than 9 wins and a big bowl win and he's writing his resume.

    His single game strength is as an OC. Those guys do their best work from above where they can see everything. He should play his best hand next season.
     
  8. Terry O'Keefe

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    He had an incredible offense in 2005 coaching from the sidelines. He coached 3 Super Bowl offenses from the sidelines. He clocks Hawaii from the pressbox and suddenly he needs to be up there?
     
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    What I wonder about is how he handles the pregame and halftime. Does he lead his team on the field and then go up to the pressbox? If ND has the ball just before the half ends does he stay untile half time and then go all the way to the locker room? By the time he gets there it will be time to go back to the booth.
    Now I could see him in the booth for the second half but the devil is no the details.
     
  10. George Krebs

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    Doc,

    He inherited four great offensive players ( Quinn, Shark, Fasano and Walker ) in 2005 and his pro style offense was quickly grasped by them and a novelty to the opposition.
     
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    On offense he has Clausen, Tate, Floyd and while I liked Darius a lot as a college football player I have to believe that if we have a good OL next year any one of our current backs can be better than Darius. Plus Rudolph may be our best TE in the last 15-20 years. Plus his depth at WR exceeds anything he had in 2005.

    Whether or not Clausen is as good a college QB as Quinn was, we don't know. We do know that they both got beaten up as freshman, but Quinn wasn't handicapped by recent surgery on his arm. Neither had terrific soph years either. But the stats favor Clausen for both freshman and soph years. Both Jeff and Stovall were unknowns going into 2005, neither had done much under Willingham. Darius was known.

    Also I hadn't thought of the problem that gip mentioned in getting down from the press box to the lockeroom.
     
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  13. George Krebs

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    Hey, he can stand anywhere he wants. I'm just saying that since he volunteered for the OC job he might want to sit where OCs like to sit. But it's his card game and in 2009 he is all in.
     
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    <r>All I'm saying is that whatever works....DO IT! If staying on the sideline is best for CW...fine. If going to the booth is better...DO IT! As long as ND is winning he can call plays from wherever. Just figure out what works best and do it. He has to know he's on borrowed time and anything less than an impressive 9 win season will mean he is gone. <br/>
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    Someone said in right.....we need to get back to the way ND looked in 2005-6 and have a more productive run game to go with it. <E>8)</E></r>
     
  15. Terry O'Keefe

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    I'm just saying that all this coach from the booth is based on beating a mediocre Hawaii team and also I have to throw in that Charlie fueled the controversy himself when he stated how much better it is to call the game from upstairs.

    Urban Meyer doesn't go upstairs, and it's his offense at UF. Marc Richt doesn't go upstairs and it's his offense at UGA, Steve Spurrier doesn't go upstairs and it's his offense at So. Carolina. Rich Rodriguez didn't go upstairs at WVA and it was his offense.

    If he goes upstairs and we are successful then he'll establish that as one of the reasons whether it is or not, and it makes it hard for him to then ever come out of the booth.

    He's the head coach, no head coach anyplace does it from the booth. Even if they were in the booth when they were coordinators.
     
  16. Tennessee Tom

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    Not that it is any of my business but there is something said for being able to get in the grill of that player that needs his attention redirected. How do you do that from the booth?
     
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    You tell the coach on the field to point the player's eyes in the direction of the booth, and you make an angry face at him. :lol:
     
  18. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    You know you can always count on Sid to come up with the practical solution to difficult problems. :)
     
  19. Don Ballard

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    Amen!

    Don