A-Fraud now is A-Roid

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  1. ndfan77

    ndfan77 New Member

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    Per Rotoworld.com

    A number of sources have told Sports Illustrated that Alex Rodriguez tested postive for two types of anabolic steriods in 2003 while playing for the Texas Rangers.
    A-Rod was approached with the news in a Miami gym Thursday. "You'll have to talk to the union," he responded when asked to discuss the report. "I'm not saying anything." MLB had no set penalties for a positive test in 2003, but steroids have been expressly prohibited in baseball since


    Ha he can never get a break!
     
  2. Bear Down Rick

    Bear Down Rick Well-Known Member

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    I was a little surprised to read that, given his acclaim as the most talented player of his generation. Still, A-Rod is only one out of 100+ players named in that report, so he's certainly got company. No doubt there are several more big names in it.
     
  3. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    I'll be upset if the Big Puma, aka Lance Berkman, is implicated in steroids. :roll: :roll:
     
  4. George Krebs

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    So he won the HR crown and the AL MVP that year. Both should be stripped immediately. I also don't think he should be ever considered for the HOF. Neither should any of the other 104 on that list or Clemens, Bonds, McGwire etc.

    If baseball is serious about cleaning up this problem.....
     
  5. HUSKERMAN-HUSKERFAN

    HUSKERMAN-HUSKERFAN Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing that 61 in '61 still hasn't been broken yet. Of course those guys we're using their own illegal suppliments of the time. Stuff like RedMan, Rare steaks, Hamms beer and Bourbon.
     
  6. George Krebs

    George Krebs Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, and those guys were working second jobs in the offseason and sports specific training was unheard of.

    Watch the movie "61" if you haven't seen it; its an HBO movie. At the end, they show a clip from a live presser where Mark McGwire pays homage to Roger Maris after breaking his record. The first time I saw it I got misty eyed. After all these steroid revelations I look on it derisively.
     
  7. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Curt Schilling wants all the guys names made public, feels like until they are all made public then all baseball players are tainted, even those who don't do the stuff.

    But when the test was run, the agreement was that the results would be forever confidential.
    Steroid Report


    So what to do?

    Terry
     
  8. George Krebs

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    When A-Rod tested positive there were no rules against using steroids. So there is no legal remedy here that I can see.

    The damage is to the reputation of the game and to the various individuals. They are all great players yet now the question is "how great?"

    If I were A-Rod I would come clean. Completely clean. He has not tested positive since. That we know. Giambi came clean and the storm clouds eventually lifted over him.

    Baseball has long suffered from a lack of leadership. Selig is a joke. The integrity of the game is on the line now.
     
  9. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    A-Rod should definitely come clean, it's in his best interests. He can give the Andy Pettite speech on how he just did it once or something like that.

    Also I agree with Schilling the rest of the list should be released, it's not fair that somebody leaked ARods name and he has to come clean the rest of these bozo's should have to do the same thing.

    Terry
     
  10. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Well he did come clean, said he did them for 3 years while with the Texas Rangers. I'm sure this is not the end of it, but at least he admitted to it and unlike Roger Clemens won't be facing a perjury charge.



    ARod Comes Clean
     
  11. Sid

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    I respectfully disagree. The tests were administered with the complete assurance of confidentiality. Just because SI found someone willing to breach the secrecy does not mean that MLB or whoever is in charge of the results should breach it willingly a hundred more times. I am more interested in knowing SI's source, but I'm sure that info will never be revealed.

    To be clear (the popular new phrase), I neither excuse nor condone Arod both taking the stuff and lying about it, but I believe we are dealing with two separate issues here. Arod set himself up for this scrutiny when he publicly lied about it. Leave the other participants out of it. Regarding Schilling's assertion that everyone who played in 2003 will be under suspicion, that's true with or without the Arod fiasco....everyone who played in 2003, 2002, 2001, etc., is under suspicion. That's why they call it an "the steroids era".
     
  12. Bear Down Rick

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    Nice pun!

    I'm with Sid, kind of. While I would like to see the list of names revealed, the players did agree to testing because it was being done anonymously. Better that MLB should just release the names of those players that didn't test positive for steroids. 8)
     
  13. George Krebs

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    I'd want them released if I was a player who did not abuse steroids. As it is, they are all suspects and no one will ver be certain that their achievements are legit.
     
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    Rick, as much as I would like to take credit, I'm no BDR. It was an accidental pun. I was trying to poke fun at the President's way of asserting his points. I didn't recognize the pun aspect of the phrase until after the fact.
    There you go! I could easily condone that approach. So it's a back door way of breaching the confidentiality of the users. So what? No one is revealing their names.
     
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    This may be a little crazy but I think I know of a way to avoid all of the controversy surrounding the records that were broken during the steroid era all while preserving and perhaps increasing the popularity of the game. I think you go to a 145 game regular season schedule. Have the season run April through the about the middle of September and have the World Series wrapped up by the first or second week of October. Baseball doesn't have to compete with football for ratings, records set in a 162 game schedule are rendered virtually obsolete and the boys of summer can have just that-summer. I know this will probably never be agreed to by owners but I think it's an idea at least worthy of consideration.
     
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    Guy here on the local radio WFAN said Cynthia Rod has a perfect axe to grind after she was completely embarrassed by A-Roid with dancers, Madonna and family issues.

    The SI women said something back then but had no definite proof. Now Cynthia can say something and say just get some more sources which she got 4....Wonder why more and more kids are using steroids.


    It's gotten so bad now that I still wonder about players all the time. A guy I definitely have suspicions is a certain NBA player, unless he truly is built like a greek god....
     
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    Alas, in a perfect world..............
     
  18. Bear Down Rick

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    With three rounds of playoffs, going to fewer than 150 games in the regular season would be a good idea. I'd also make interleague play an every-other-year deal, the All-Star game would no longer determine home field advantage in the WS, scrap the 2-3-2 seven-game format (2-2-2-1?), and mandate more day games.

    And get rid of the DH, too. :twisted: Yeah, I bet the players union would be all over that one.