Who you callin a cheater?

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What did Meyer do wrong?

 

That's the point, Meyer did nothing illegal or against NCAA rules. He plays the game right up to the edge in all areas. He's not worried about whether it's ethical or not, just whether its within the rules or not.

 

Great job guys...let's keep this going not only here, but the mainstream media also.

Let's make all of 2010's players and parents aware of the circus know as SEC recruiting.

Let's take a bunch of HS seniors who don't even know how to properly jerk off yet, and get them highlighted and involved into the recruiting controversy.

The recruiting process ran by grown men and millionaire coaches.

I'm thoroughly impressed.

During his press conf, Coach pelini was right. The process is broke, really broke and needs some serious attention.

 

And me....which is the point of my post. It's my opinion, hence the "IMO". If you don't have a problem with it, then there's no problem.

 

A lot of stuff goes on in recruiting that I find personally distatseful and morally unacceptable. And I mean everywhere. There are no angels in this game. But my personal standards are higher than the NCAA's.

Meyer has done nothing that I know of that's illegal by NCAA standards. Neither has Weis. But both have done and will do things that I would not do personally.

Moral of the story? I would be a shitty college football recruiter!

 

Consider bridge burned....

I'll bet recruiting in Florida next year will be tough sledding for Kiffin.

 

Same here.

 

Well recruiting in Pahokee will probably be rough. But the next crop of kids won't really care a hoot about this dust up, they'll care about what Kiffin did on the field, does it look like things are trending up for him, will they fit the scheme, what's the depth chart at their position look like, who's their position coach.

Nope Tenn has historically been a good recruiting school, they have top notch facilities to show the kids, they have tradition, and a trip to Neyland is one of the best trips for a football game a kid can take. I expect that Kiffin will get some kids from Fla, just like Tenn always has done.

 

More on Kiffin from Gene W...hatshisname:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3887550&sportCat=ncf

 

Meyer did nothing wrong. He violated no NCAA rules. Yet ... you'll opine that he's unethical ..... based upon some personal, subjective standard. While that's not quite as bad as Kiffin saying Meyer violated NCAA recruiting rules ..... it's about as accurate, IMHO.

And BTW .... if you think Meyer's unethical .... then ya gotta believe Meyer learned it all from Lou Holtz while an asst @ ND!!

:wink:

 

I believe that as a young pup wr coach, he learned from a wise old recruiter who lived next door to him....Greg Mattison who was trained in the art and science of recruiting by Jackie Sherrill at Texas A&M and the Univ of Michigan's Lloyd Carr.

 

Did I not qualify my opinion as such, and didn't Terry do the same? Is this not an opinion forum?

Dueling opinions.

For the record, I like Meyer. I think he's a good coach and a fundamentally good person who - as Terry said - sometimes operates on the edge of ethical behavior. My issue as I stated it above was that IMO the coach who called the kid knowing he was on a visit to TN acted in poor taste. It certainly is possible to be within the rules but not playing fair. IMO this is one of those instances.

I'm like George. I believe that both Meyer and Charlie Weis have done things I wouldn't do. That's why I would not be a good recruiter.

 

I don't know of any instance where Weis has done something in recruiting that made me cringe with regards to ethics. If he has I wish somebody would point it out to me.

I think Meyer is one of the best coaches in College Football and the Gators are in for a big run of excellence on the field. From things that Bill has posted on the academic side it seems like that is headed upward for UF, I think Urban is smart enough to know that no matter how good a player is he can't help the team if he's not eligible and if he stays eligible then he's likely to graduate as well.

Terry

 

Give it up Sid. You'll find that unless you are offering pure praise for the Gators you will find no quarter. It doesn't matter if you qualify it, it doesn't matter if you praise them in 90% of the post. If you question them in the least bit, you'll get what you're getting here.

Sure it is not illegal to prompt kids to lie and to call kids while they are on their official trip to other schools (something that I'd use against him but in a much different way), but the way some folks see things, if it isn't breaking the letter of the law... then there's nothing wrong with it.

You gotta respect it, even if it isn't your opinion.

 

I don't think anyone is seeking praise for Urban Meyer or anyone else on the UF staff .... just folks questioning the veracity of assertions (by some) that Meyer and his staff cheat and are unethical. 8)

 

One things for sure, all this controversy hasn't effected sales of the Gator Bowl DVD...

 

I would be very surprised if one person on this board actually knew for certain just 40% of what Weis really does in his recruiting activities.

 

I'll say a couple of things Sid. First as noted it was not illegal or cheating as Kiffin said.

Second is that the kid was committed to Florida and had said the week before he was still committed to Florida and even indicated he was not going to Knoxville. So whether Meyer knew or not is not even certain.

I think that with what transpired this week that in the future if I was in that business and knew someone was at Tennessee and it wasn't illegal to call I might call just to get under Kiffin's skin.

Regardless don't lose sight of the fact that his kid had been committed a long time and was even supposed to be an early entry but ended up not being eligible to do that.

Even so I get your point, it's just that seeing what I see here I might not honor it with Kiffin.

 

I think with this comment with Corey well into his anti Gator mode I give this one up.

Have fun.

 

More insight:

http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090206/ARTICLES/902060928/1136?Title=What_did_Kiffin_accomplish

I have to wonder if this guy just has a lot to learn about what is correct to say at booster meetings or press conferences, etc..