it looks like the boys over at EDSBS aren't too happy with Urban Meyer's recent 'change of heart' regarding the booting of the gun toting former player. Hmmm your top DL recruit gets hurt in the weightroom and now its time for Urban to forgive the young man..At least, those are the rumors.. *snicker*... IDGAF but EDSBS is one of your own.. take them to task, not me http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2008/08/01/ronnie-wilson-helps-florida-reload/?cp=2
Credit EDSBS for viewing UF with the same jaundiced eye they use for other schools. Perpetually-in-need-of-an-editor Bleacher Report offers their opinion on Coach Urban Meyer... Urban Meyer: Five Reasons Why He's an Evil Force in the College Football Realm.
Rick, #1. I can sure understand the evil in tearing up. That's a wonderful point. #2. See my comment to Corey and on the other Topic about Ronnie Wilson. But I'm pretty sure you have read it. #3. This was self reported by Florida to the NCAA and it was found Meyer did not violate NCAA rules. #4 & 5 If you believe Richt that's fine, I guess all those guys who he didn't think would run out on the field would have their helmets on while just standing on the sideline. And Urban Meyer is not the one who had to apologize to the SEC office. While Corey takes issues with MCG and Gaterz I guess it's ok for you guys to jump on Meyer? This is not going to turn into a flame board.
I thought I had made a reply to Corey before the one to Rick but it's not there so here goes again. Corey, the guys at EDSBS told one side of the story about Ronnie Wilson. On another topic I had given some other information. However I think you know that and have read that and don't really give a damn. Please don't give me any more stuff about how MCG acts as you are following right in the same footsteps you accuse him. This is not going to turn into a flame board.
well hell <r>if it goes unchecked then is turnabout not fair play?<br/> <br/> I would also like to add this is brand new material and most certainly worthy of discussion (esp given that its Gator boys calling out their own).<br/> <br/> I hardly see the comparison between this and a solid 8 months of non-stop badgering and thread hijacking. Besides, I'm keeping this over here in this thread.. my own personal cesspool <E></E> <E></E> <E></E></r>
after 3 minutes of consideration <t>I think you're right Bill. You can go ahead and lock the topic and let it go.<br/> <br/> I'd just like to point out that you're saying we're 'piling on' when the only people writing here was my original post and Rick's follow up with another article about it.<br/> <br/> Compare that to dozens, if not hundreds, of posts made hijacking threads... countless threads over an 8 month period.. How that's the same, I have no idea.. <br/> <br/> But go ahead and lock it. Like you said, this won't be a flame board.. Just practice what you preach then...and kabash the other 2.<br/> <br/> The thing about rules is that they often lack context. You and I both know that even when dishing out compliments, the vast majority of Dave's posts or back handed compliments filled with loaded statements setting up his position for future posts. You know full well when he's about to hijack a thread and turn it into the Ohio State sucks/SEC rules flame-a-thon. I have no problem with you killing this thread, but how about we keep a tighter lid on the other nonsense?<br/> <br/> Hell, Im always up for a good donnybrook but we've been having the same old mud slinging match since the end of the bowl season last year.</t>
Bill, I provided a link to an article that is germaine to the subject topic, yet offered no opinions regarding its substance (other than to point out that the writing on the site tends to be of poor technical quality). If you have an issue with the content of the article you would be better served directing your remarks to the author.
Corey, if you look closely you will see that I locked two topics last night. I believe those are the two you were talking about. Also that I directed comments at both the other two posters you are talking about before I locked them.
Hey....you talkin to me? Bill, I have always been the same on this board and that is very consistent in calling out what I see. I had the same issues with Curtis and Todd of Penn St fame back in the mid 90s when I felt PSU's #1 ranking belied what they were really accomplishing on the field given some of their competition and the struggles they seemed to be having with that competition and I proved to be right at the end. I also saw huge offensive flaws in a highly ranked unbeaten Notre Dame team a few years back under Willingham that Corey and I went round and round about and it turned out I was right on that one too. I just call it as I see em. I'm not here just to bash Ohio State. As I have said if OSU was coming back from the Alamo Bowl I would have very little if anything to say about the Buckeyes. If USC had some serious performnace flaws on an ongoing basis I would be quick to point that out and I'm sure Corey for one would take offense....call me names and you would lock topics. Maybe this board isn't suited for honest and frank discussion.
One other comment.... The two threads you locked were about polls and rankings that I started. How do you have those kinds of topics without Ohio State's name coming up? Like I said....it's good to be included in the mix. I'll bet Penn State fans or Notre Dame fans wish they were part of such debates these days for example.
mcg, I've explained it enough so that I think you should understand by now. I just keep talking in a circle until I act. I've said enough and I locked the topics.
yet again, more backhanded compliments from dave. do you really think we don't see thru your ********? If you seriously believe that, then you really have no idea and truly haven't been paying attention to anything I've said. As a lifelong ND fan who went to both UCLA and UCRiverside, you don't know anyone who hates USC more than I do. (although I am pretty sure Sid would fight anyone who contends that he isn't the #1 trojan hater...and he might be right...might be) My hatred for all things USC, and let's not kid ourselves..its a blinding hatred, is beyond the scope of rationality. That doesn't mean I can't remain objective and use some critical analysis when it comes to how USC does on the field. I don't have to be morally bankrupt just to preserve my disdain for rival. The fact that I believe USC would have beaten down LSU like Jack Dempsey pummeled Jess Willard has nothing to do with my hatred of USC.
That's the Corey I am talking about. Sorta like how I would defend LSU or Georgia against SEC detractors if I lived in PAC 10 country. Keep in mind I have no disrespect for the PAC10....I think it is a highly competitive league at the top and USC while not perfect has done well in the postseason.
Not so much, I'll kick them when they are down with a big smile. Sadly, those days appear to be gone. My decade of dominance tshirts are all faded and filled with holes.
oh by the way <t>what do you think of Urban's decision?<br/> <br/> I've noticed that you guys have all managed to gloss that over. The timing of it really makes that look sh*tty.</t>
The timing opens itself up to criticism but if Urban was already planning on allowing Wilson back the decision was more than likely made awhile back because Wilson already knows he's a walk-on, etc. and I doubt that kind of decision was made on a whim overnight after news of an injury. Regarding the decison itself you could criticize but he discharged a weapon in the air in parking lot as a stupid act of youth it sounds like and not as an attempt to injure someone. I have to go with Urban because I trust him but I am not sure I would have made the same decision.
To use some of your language Corey, what ********. You haven't been reading my stuff if you say that. I posted on one of the other topics you were posting to more information about Ronnie Wilson. It's pretty obvious you didn't bother to read it. However from the same site that Rick posted his anti Meyer article from here's another article that explains the Wilson situation far better than I can. From long experience I am sure you will not agree but in the interest of full disclosure here it is. Ronnie Wilson
This is a lot like the Andre Jones situation in Austin, well really not nearly as bad as Andre actually held a gun on a man while his friend robbed him. But the debate is the same, some in Austin want Andre to get a 2nd chance, not necessarily to play this year but to do what Ronnie Wilson did and be able to go to school in 2008-2009 and if he keeps his nose clean to have Mack let him back on the team as a walk-on with lots of conditions. I haven't gone back are read that article that Corey posted about a kid who sold drugs at Alabama during the Bears day, was kicked off the team but eventually was let back on the team. What Ronnie Wilson did was really stupid, firing a gun esp an automatic weapon in the air could have resulted in 1 or more deaths. He clearly wasn't aware that what goes up must come down. It's amazing how many idiots there are out there who think firing a weapon in the air is sort of a no harm no foul situation, they are stunned to learn it can and does kill people. Clearly the timing of this makes it look bad, it leaves it open to an interpretation that Ronnie was let back on the team not because he earned his way back on but because Meyer needed him for depth on the DL. If he keeps his nose clean and is a good citizen it'll eventually look like a fair and good move, if he gets into more trouble it'll will look bad for Meyer. It's one of those things you see all the time, this is not isolated. I seem to remember a player, who was a UGA commit, who was accused of rape on a recruiting trip. Georgia released him and he eventually went to Tenn. I remember Tailback making a big deal about Fulmer taking this kid, I also don't remember the kid every getting into trouble again. Terry
Terry, Tailback did make a big deal about it, but the incident happened on a recruiting trip to Florida. The kids name was Jason Respert if I remember correctly and I believe you are right he never had another problem that I am aware of and we probably have a better citizen because he was given the opportunity to earn his way back. I'm a firm believer in giving people 2nd and even sometimes 3rd chances to earn something. If we do not do that and it's one strike and you are out then as a society we will have a lot more people out there who are trouble. That Alabama story kind of drives that home. But I also know no amount of talking will convince some people of the wisdom of giving people an opportunity to earn something.