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How can remarks be characterized a "snide" .... if they're truthful, accurate?

Anyway ..... smile .... "Don't sweat the small stuff".

 

Not sure what part of "Go for it" you don't understand.

 

Not sure what part of "Go for it" you don't understand.[/quote]

Actually, I'd rather not use the stupid personal comments ...... as are used by some of the others. This is all in fun and shouldn't be taken to a point of personal insults, as some do.

 

I don't think I ever have...though I've had to struggle against temptation. :wink:

 

When the intentions of ones repeated offerings on this board serve no other purpose than to antagonize other members, that is an insult no matter how you characterize it.....

If there is something that you have to offer that may add value to the discussions on the board, offer it.....if it is your intent to simply antagonize others by re-hashing and regurgitating tired, old beat-to-death biases, I would suggest to you that the rest of us would rather not have to waste our time sifting through the drivel......if others feel differently, speak up.

You guys could save the rest of us alot of time and trouble by simply e-mailing your smack back and forth to each other.....

 

Damn, which side do I jump in for in this neverending saga? I want to defend the honor of B10 football but then see a fellow member of the B 10 Brother in Unity, Skybox Edition frag my boys:

And, while,at the same time, MCG and GF, our resident SEC imperialists, are saying all these nice things about Michigan.


Signed,

Conflicted in Big 10 Country

 

Bobda...channel your inner self...

 

...and BT says this is not relevant but the 2007 OSU-UM game and the Cap One Bowl are? Hmmmm...... :shock: :roll:

 

It's only relevance in this discussion is in a feeble effort salve your wounded 4-loss egos particularly after another bruising from a Big 10 patsy.....which is what always resurrects and pumps the lifeblood into this tired old thread and comes after I believe a statement on your part along the lines of ".....my last word on the topic" some months ago - again.

I would think - to a person - we all anxiously await your next last word again and are preparing the stock celebratory replies....again.


So, yes, in that regard it's relevant for our wounded and obsessed Gator friends. Hope that was therapeutic....

 

BT....you need to get over it and understand that one of THE hottest topics of debate this season happens to involve Ohio State and it's #1 ranking and whether or not the resume gets them back to the NC game if they lose to USC.

The number one team and the national championship discussions go hand in hand.
Granted...if that team was Brigham Young and there were no fans on this board who gave a crap then I wouldn't bring it up as much.

Yes...because there are people who care then it has merit as a topic on the board and in particular when discussing what may happen this upcoming season...which is what this specific topic was started for.

It has no more to do with Michigan-Florida than it does Florida-Vandy but it does have to do with Ohio State-Florida because essentially that's where the debate began it's origins.

Before the Gators put the SEC beatdown on tOSU the Buckeyes were flying along unbeaten with a nice non-con win over Texas to ice the cake on a dream season.

That dream turned into a nightmare that was continued last year and the hangover is still there primarily because of the lack of quality wins on the schedule in '07.

If OSU had beaten USC last year for example no one would be questioning their qualifications for a return this season to the NC game.

Hence.....the game of the season on Sept. 13th in LA.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Having a team be successful enough to earn the right to go to the national championship game in any year can hardly be the stuff of nightmares. Going two years in a row is the stuff most can only dream about.....if not mistaken there are about 120 other schools who would readily accept such a nightmarish season. 8)

Nightmares would be more along the lines of a 4-loss season, being a conference also ran and losing in a minor bowl in my own backyard to a team from a patsy conference....and of course if you're a Buckeye losing to the Stripeheads anytime. That is a nightmare.... 8)

 

It really doesn't hurt....honest.

UF had a young defense which was an achilles heel all year but still the Gators were much more competitive vs. the eventual national champions than were some other teams I can think of :wink: and UF had the Heisman winner and a very explosive, fun offense to watch that looks to be even better this coming season. Not bad for a pullback season after one of the greatest NC game wins in the BCS era.

What's not to like about all that BT?

 

If that is what makes you Gators feel good about yourselves, I'm happy for you.....

 

Hey MCG ..... in the last 2 seasons, voters have placed into the BCS+1 game a Big-10/11 champ that's dominated its conference - outscoring them by an average of 22 points per game (almost 27 ppg in 2006) - going 15-1 against opponents who've a combined record of 105-97, or an average season record of 6.6-6.1. Note that in 2006 the average conference opponent had a 2006 record of 5.9-6.6.

As a point of comparison, the last two SEC champs to play in the BCS+1 game, defeated their conference opponets by an average margin of about 9 points per game and posted a combined record of 15-3 against conference opponents with a aggregate record of 134-85, or an average record of 7.9-5.0.


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.....and in the last two years the Big 10 and the SEC have faced each other in post season play 6 times - with each winning 3. Ex-Ohio State the patsies are 3-1 -v- the SEC.

Nice data, what's your point? :?:

 

Let's see a bit more about the 4 games .......

2007:
Mich + 6 over UF
Wisc - 4 to UT

2006:
PSU + 10 over UT
Wisc +3 over Ark

In 2007, tOSU played the two teams who faced SEC teams in bowl games. So, those conference opponents were .500 versus the SEC in 2007.

In 2006, tOSU played just PSU but not a 12-1 Wisc (a major reason the tOSU conference opponent record is just 5.9-6.6 and tOSU was undefeated in the regular season). So, ex-Wisc, tOUS's 2006 conference opponents went 1-0 versus the SEC.

Thus, over the 2 seasons, Big-10/11 teams that tOSU faced in the regular season were 2-1 versus the SEC.

Now, let's take a look at how those three games matched up WRT how each team ended in its conference standings for the year:

2007
#3 Mich defeats #5 UF by 6 points
#4 Wisc loses to #3 UT by 4 points

2006
#4 PSU defeats #5 UT by 10 points.

Probably no surprises given the pairings. So, if you think the results of these three games indicates the conference schedule played by tOUS over 2006 and 2007 is comparable in difficulty to the conference schedules played by tOSU's BCS+1 game opponents, how is the point differential in the two BCS+1 losses explained :?:

 

If memory serves, Wisky has played the SEC runner-up in two years running....beating Ark in 2006 and losing to UT in 2007? Wisky was either the #3 or #4 team in the conference in those years.

If one believes one can draw meaningful broad sweeping conclusions about anything based upon such a limited sample, one is fooling oneself....it would not be unlike trying to draw conclusions based upon the Appy St - M game in Ann Arbor in conjunction with the M - UF game in Orlando. How is the point differential in those games explained?

 

A 12-1 [#2 Big 10/11] Wisc defeated #2 Ark in 2006. #4 Wisc lost to #3 UT in 2007.

LMAO!! Hey, you're the guy who introduced an analysis based upon 4 post season games, and only three of which were relatively pertinent. I used the results of nearly 200 regular season games over 2 seasons.

Still wondering about "the point differential".

 

M was runner-up to us in 2006, Wisky was 3rd....

Didn't UT play LSU in the SEC title game last year?

I have no doubt you are still wondering about a great many things Gaterz....for example, have you explained the relative disparity in Appy St/UF -v- M outcomes to your satisfaction? If so, then feel free to make up anything you'd like about any topic with which you are struggling to comprehend.....

 

Big Ten Conference
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Standings
Schedule
Conference Standings
2006 Big Ten Conference
Conference Standings
Games Through Jan. 8



Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
---- - - - --- --- --- - - - --- --- ---
Ohio State.......... 8 0 0 305 92 1.000 12 1 0 450 166 .923
Wisconsin........... 7 1 0 245 116 .875 12 1 0 380 157 .923
Michigan............ 7 1 0 213 104 .875 11 2 0 380 207 .846
Penn State.......... 5 3 0 135 117 .625 9 4 0 290 187 .692
Purdue.............. 5 3 0 165 179 .625 8 6 0 364 374 .571
Minnesota........... 3 5 0 202 243 .375 6 7 0 376 338 .462
Indiana............. 3 5 0 179 302 .375 5 7 0 277 394 .417
Iowa................ 2 6 0 174 192 .250 6 7 0 310 269 .462
Northwestern........ 2 6 0 125 240 .250 4 8 0 198 314 .333
Michigan State...... 1 7 0 148 241 .125 4 8 0 302 341 .333
Illinois............ 1 7 0 155 220 .125 2 10 0 235 321 .167

http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/confsked.html

They tied in 1st in the SEC east and UT was given the slot in the SECCG because they'd defeated UT in the regular season. UGa ended the year ranked #2 or #3 or #5 versus UTs #12 or #16. so, I'm going with the final rankings as the tie breaker; you can choose another methodolog.

I have no doubt you are still wondering about a great many things Gaterz....for example, have you explained the relative disparity in Appy St/UF -v- M outcomes to your satisfaction? If so, then feel free to make up anything you'd like about any topic with which you are struggling to comprehend.....[/quote]

Still wondring about "the point differential" ..... why tOSU did so well against conference opponents only tobe held without an offensive TD in 4 of the 8 quarters its played in the last 2 BSC+1 games.

Maybe it was the layoff ............................ or maybe it was the great record against a relatively easy regular season schedule :?:

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