Big Ten....really that bad?

From CFN....

http://cfn.scout.com/2/768447.html

I would say there is a majority willing to give the Big Ten some slack but also willing to admit that the SEC is the best conference right now.

In another CFN topic Mandel pointed out a 14-22 record in the bowls for the Big Ten in the last 5 years.

Folks....that is pretty pi@@ poor by any standards.

 

Gee, here's an interesting quote from that link.

Sure make your point about OSU doesn't it?

 

hmmm

<t>its late, i can't sleep and maybe my math is bad but...<br/>
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that 14-22 record of the Big10 hurts, but let's look at why... I mean, it must show that the SEC is #1 right MCG?<br/>
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Big 10 vs:<br/>
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SEC 7-7<br/>
Big12 3-6<br/>
Pac10 1-5<br/>
ACC 1-2<br/>
MAC 1-2<br/>
IND 1-0<br/>
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While that 14-22 doesn't look good, the SEC hasn't had a whole hell of a lot to do with it. One-half of all their bowl wins in the past 5 years have come at the hands of the SEC. It looks like the Pac10 and Big12 have a whole lot more to do with keeping the Big10 down, then the SEC does<br/>
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Thanks for the article, I will give this a closer look while the girls are at the shower tomorrow.</t>

 

It would appear the PAC 10 has been pretty darned good at beating the Big Ten in bowls the last 5 years no question.

The SEC's 7-7 record stands out as mediocre and you have to give credit to the upper tier Big Ten teams because they are the ones who typically play the SEC.

USC has won the Rose Bowl for three of those five PAC 10 wins and that is more a testimony to USC being USC than it is a reflection of overall PAC 10 strength.


I suspect if the PAC10-Big 10 played more across the top games in bowl season that the record would even out a little.

In any event at the very top the SEC has shined and last year in particular the SEC had a great bowl season and won it's second consecutive national title.

We'll have to see how it shapes up this season and please note I have said things are more based on what happened in the previous year than what happened 5 years ago.

There are still many players around from last year and none from 5 years ago so last year is very relevant to forecasting this year. Relevant.....but not the end all.

 

The question remains that if the SEC rules, Big 10 "sucks" and Ohio State's conference foes unworthy competitors as MCG claims, how does one explain why the SEC and his Gators have not asserted their superiority on the field in these bowl matchups? Why is it that the results from the field against the Big 10 seem to be in direct contrast to those claims? Why is it that your Gators have a better record against SEC competition than Big 10 competition? Why is it that our unworthy opponents have a better record against superior SEC competition than your Gators do against inferior Big 10 competition - the point would seem to be a large one......perhaps as big as an elephant?!!

Until the SEC and his Gators begin to validate those claims on the field against a conference that "sucks" or MCG can somehow magically incorporate those actual results into his Big 10/Ohio State "sucks" argument, the claims are not credible and it's just empty, rude, incessant rhetoric.

 

hahaha

<t>waaaaaaait a minute, you didn't think I'd let you slide for one second more without at least citing your hyperbolic bullsh*t did you?<br/>
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In each of the last 2 seasons, a SEC Division Champion has played (and lost) to a Pac10 team. Last year the SEC East champ lost to the 7th place team in the Pac10 (Cal). So let's not go throwing the Pac10 or Big12 under the bus just because you said so...<br/>
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the records of the Big10 teams vs the SEC is as follows:<br/>
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Wisconsin 2-3<br/>
Purdue 0-1<br/>
Penn State 1-0<br/>
Ohio State 0-2<br/>
Minnesota 1-0<br/>
Michigan 1-0<br/>
Iowa 2-1<br/>
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Now, you have clearly labeled over the past few months Ohio State as the cream of the 'soggy bottomed' Big10. Would you care to explain how the almighty, and ear-deep in title contenders SEC has given up 7 losses to Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Michigan and Minnesota?<br/>
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Either you are 'top to bottom the best conference in the land' or you are not, but these numbers really hurt your case here. Some of those teams like Michigan are 1-4 in the last 5 year's bowl contests. That means they were beaten twice by the Big12 and Pac10 teams while only shining in the sun vs SEC competition.<br/>
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The SEC teams who have lost to Big 10 teams are as follows:<br/>
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-Florida x2<br/>
-Auburn<br/>
-Tennessee<br/>
-Arkansas<br/>
-Alabama<br/>
-LSU<br/>
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That hardly sounds like the bottom dwellers of the SEC in the past 5 years. No signs of Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy, Miss State etc on that list which I would believe represent the 'bottom' of the SEC..</t>

 

BT...surely you jest.

You know what happens when you catch a good Florida team on the field....don't you....

 

Yes, the other team catches a lot of Wuerfuels passes....hehehehehhe.. :twisted:

 

Just in case someone questions whether they were "convincing" interceptions...

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No denying that was a good Florida team AJ.....but man you have a good memory because that's ancient news ain't it? :wink:

 

Thanks Rick, that made me harder than woodpecker lips watching that again!

MCG,

Ahhhh...it is my friend...but it's in the record books, it's been voted the best team ever....and it was so much fun being a Husker that year. I'm sorry, but I JUST CAN'T LET IT GO!

 

I understand completely AJ...

I used to do the same thing with Florida's romp over FSU in the 1997 Sugar but now I find that the 2006 season NC game at Glendale is much too fond a memory to go so way far back to the mid 90s. 8)

 

I sure wish Ahman Green still had the wheels to run like that, the Texans could sure use it.

 

Classic juvenile response.....like the kid on the playground when nothing of substance remains to be developed from his feeble little mind...."Oh Yeah".

Congrats...you won one. That doubles your win total for the last ten years over the weak Big 10 making your record this past decade 2-4. Well done. You're a juggernaut. The credibility of your argument remains unchanged.....

 

My point was BT that last year Florida had a weakness on defense due to youthful inexperience that was exploited very well by a veteran and healthy Michigan offense playing it's best game of the season and making some spectacular plays.

They still needed a last minute drive to pull the game out.

The 2007 Florida team had this defensive weakness most of the year and was the reason UF couldn't hang on vs. LSU and gave up 42 to Georgia.

The year before Florida had a veteran defense chock full of NFL first round draft picks and that's what the Buckeyes ran in to.

So....you want to base UF's Big Ten experience on a non-BCS bowl thriller and I prefer the national title game experience vs. OSU instead.

To each his own eh?.

 

You're arguing with yourself again.....on another thread it would seem as if you are arguing that the most recent event is the more meaningful observation.

From my perspective, the more relevant basis upon which to assess experience is the experience over time as opposed to any singular isolated event which, due to any number of circumstances, may not be a true indicator.

Your record against the Big 10 is a poor one....yet you continue to belittle them. Go figure....

 

Florida's record overall vs. the Big Ten is 8-4......that's poor?

Florida soundly beat a Big Ten opponent in the highest profile game ever played between the Gators and the Big Ten.

That said....based on last year's results only I would say UF played a Big Ten team with a very good offense that was on a mission and UF lost due to a season long flaw.

The UF defense will have to improve or it could face another Big ten team in Orlando and have problems if that Big Ten opponent also has a good offense playing well.

How's that for staying on the message?

 

I have it as 9-5 all-time but we can break that down a little ....prior to the 2000 you were 7-1. During this century, the last 6 meetings you've been 2-4.

So, yes, your recent record, which is the relevant time frame for which you claim the Big 10 "sucks" and is unworthy, is 2-4. That is a poor record. In the last decade, you have more success playing against SEC opponents than you have against the "unworthy" Big 10 competition.

You would have a better argument if you claimed that prior to 2000, the Big 10 "sucked" and we beat them consistently. At least you would have some basis in fact and your claims would be consistent with your experience. Over the more relevant time frame this decade, your argument lacks both which is not a good thing if you are an argument....

 

You want relevance try this....

Ron Zook was 0-2 vs. the Big Ten but then again he lost his job because Florida lost to many inferior opponents during his watch.

The current regime is 2-1 vs. the Big Ten including a romp for the national title and a most recent close thrilling loss to what I acknowledge was one of the best offenses in the nation and certainly the best in the Big Ten.

Which coach's record do you think is more relevant?

 

It would appear that we are drifting....what's the question again?