Bobda, with all due respect to the school up north, I hold the academic integrity of M in the highest esteem and indeed, my intentions are not to throw cheap, gratuitous shots at M, but rather to better illustrate the differences between fact, hearsay, opinion and sheer drivel. However, to the point, my opinion is that our Gator pal has absolutely no clue what the academic standards for football players is at any Big 10 school much less the two in question. However, I sense the intentions of our pal from Florida may not be as sincere as they appear.....but I'm only guessing. :wink: :roll: Go Blue!
I didn't start this nonsense....Jo'Co did with an outlandishly untrue remark. I have lived in Detroit for 28 years and I have followed the Univ of Michigan for most of that time. I know the student body at Michigan is extremely competitive academically and if you don't think they are head and shoulders above the other two schools I mentioned then that tells me what it is that you don't know. Does that translate to football? Well the recent grad rates I listed seem to suggest that is true but I will admit I have always believed the standards for football players at all schools is somewhat under the general student body and in fact it should be because the scholarship ahthlete especially in high revenue producing sports brings something else to the party.
The facts JO'Co put forth to support his claim were similar to those you put forth in your initial claim...... Unless you can put forth factual evidence with respect to "academic standards for football players in the Big10" - which is the issue at hand, then yours is just another uninformed opinion and another pedestal from which to continue your obsession and launch another mcg dung bomb. Nothing more.....
Right BT....you just go on believing that. You don't think that academic standards for the student body in general somewhat mirror what is required of the football admittees? You think admission standards at Michigan are the same as Ohio State? Who is blowing smoke here? :shock: :roll:
Ohio State football: Buckeyes near bottom of Big Ten in graduation rates Posted by Doug Lesmerises October 03, 2007 17:00PM The NCAA released its graduation rates today, and Ohio State ranks near of the bottom of the Big Ten in both football and men's basketball. But the Buckeyes are at the top with a 100 percent rate in women's basketball. The schools were rated by their graduation success rate, which does not penalize a school for players who transfer or leave school early for the professsional ranks, as long as those players would have been on track to graduate had they remained. The numbers included the freshmen classes from 1997 to 2000, so none of these players were brought to Ohio State by Jim Tressel or Thad Matta. But the players were all given six years to gradaute before the numbers were compiled, which is why the data seems a bit old, and the current coaches were in charge as they players progressed, or didn't progress, toward their diplomas. BIG TEN FOOTBALL GRADUATION RATES N'western 94 Penn St 76 Michigan 73 Illinois 73 Iowa 73 Purdue 70 Indiana 67 Wisconsin 61 Ohio St 53 Minnesota 49 Mich St. 43 So BT....you don't think that good quality student atheletes getting admitted would become better students who would graduate?[/b]
The question is, "What are the academic standards for football players in the Big 10?" You have opined that you are "certain".....you can't be "certain" without the facts. You don't have the facts....you are up to your old tricks. Tossing dung bombs with little or no basis in fact. We are aware of your opinion....you have made it clear. But, in fact, it is just your opinion.
Terry, I didn't take anything you said to be insulting. Jo Co threw his little lie out there and is now chuckling over the bombs now being thrown. I guess that Michigan should have hired a coach from that proud beacon of organizational virtue-the New England Patriots.
Beyond the NCAA min requirements, as we all know individual schools can add more evaluation and/or requirements. Not every football player who can meet the NCAA min requirements can meet the requirements of every school. It's well known that certain schools ask more than the min, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Vandy, Notre Dame, Florida, UCLA to name a few. I know at both Notre Dame and Fla that some players that can gain admission to their recruiting rivals can not gain admission to ND and UF. Just take Noel Devine for an example, he evidently met the NCAA min requirements but even FSU would not admit him, however WVU did admit him. They are apparently an open admissions school that can and do admit kids (not just football players) merely if they graduate from HS. I don't know UM's requirements for football players, UM itself is an outstanding University one of the top Public schools in the country. But like most the football players don't have to have the same SAT/ACT/Class Rank/GPA as the typical student. So since nobody publishes this sort of requirement, nobody can really know for sure. You can make some suppositions. ND fans are well aquainted with this since there are players who we can't recruit who end up at other schools. And it's easy to say that WVU must have low standards for it's football recruits if Noel Devine is not deemed eligible for admission to FSU a school that has historically taken a lot of kids who can't get into other schools. But while there is a graduation list, nobody compiles the qualifications of the incomming classes so it's impossible to say with any accuarcy who has low standards and who doesnt'.
Does Michigan stell have academic programs that were created specifically for football players? If so, do graduation rates really indicate anything about academic qualifications or achievement?
Michigan coach <t>Terry,<br/> <br/> Soooooo...I guess we can safely say that Michigan will be lowering their academic standards for football players if RR is to be successful there and recruit the players he needs for his "system"...right?...er..ahh...did I say that?</t>
That's a fair assessment Terry. I do know that Devine could have been a Gator except for those stepped up requirements at Florida that you allude to. I have to believe that the University of Michigan is no West Virginia when it comes to admitting football players. But then again....I do not know for sure on the incoming recruits but it certainly stands to reason that not just every moron could get a scholarship from them.
Isn't there a Sports Management program or something like that, where most (not all, Corwin Brown was an English Major) football players start? Wasn't its creation integral to the resurgance of UM football back when Bo started?
Terry, Nope. But you guys seem to make up whatever you like depending on the moods and whims of the moment so why should I spoil the creative process. BDR, Bingo!
Careful there Bobda....that extraordinarily creative group over on the pages of NDNation have got a lot of idle time on their hands these days. Be prepared for incoming..... :wink:
I could have sworn that there was a program that most athletes were funneled into as freshman. Well it's not the first time I've been wrong about something. :? :?
Well you guys do have a Sports Mgmt program, that much is true! http://www.kines.umich.edu/academics/sm/
For the record while I'm proud of the academic side of ND football, I'm also glad that there are various levels across the NCAA to allow for kids who aren't particularily good students to still go to college and have the opportunity (if they will take advantage) to get a college degree. Even if that degree isn't from ND, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, Vanderbilt, The University of Texas, etc it is still their ticket to a lot of jobs. I have a nephew who left college early because it intruded too much on his social life and found out pretty quickly that even though were a lot of jobs out there that he could do he couldn't get an interview because they required a college degree. Not a Ivy league degree, not a ND or Duke degree...just a degree. So after a year of battling that he wised up and went back to school and got his degree. Also got a job!! Terry