There truly isn't a dominant team in the bunch. LSU is #1 but I could see them losing in the SEC Championship game, and while Ole Miss and Arky aren't likely to upset them its not impossible esp since Ole Miss is on the road. Oregon doesn't have a tough scdedule but a schizoid UCLA and the Rivalry game with Oregon State could turnout to be tough. The B12 troika all have tough closing schedules that winning out could give them a big boost. I think if any of the Big 12 teams win out in impressive fashion then it would be possible for them to jump Oregon if they struggle vs their last 2 opponents. OU has to go to Tech and finish with an Oklahoma State team that has given them fits in the recent past. Kansas has to play Iowa State who is improving and Missouri Missouri has to play Kansas State and Kansas. If it's undefeated Kansas vs 1 Loss OU in the Big 12 the winner could jump into the BCS over Oregon. Definitely if LSU stumbles of course.
If any of the 3 BCS Big 12 teams win out then LSU would have to lose for Oregon to make it. Sad for the Pac 10.....but true.
I think certainly it will be controversial if Oregon wins out and Kansas wins out as to who is the most deserving of being in the BCS + 1 game. Might be hard for OU or Missouri to jump them since they are also 1 loss teams, but if they do because they finish impressively then it'll be a big controversy.
Dang, I forgot Oregon lost to Cal. I think what will come into play, again, is the regular season +1 championship game implemented by some conferences. We could see a situation where two top contenders (one undefeated) get knocked out of the BCS tiltal game because they are required to play a conference championship game. I must acknowledge that I would, this year, probably give the nod to a 1-loss Big-12 team that won it's +1 conference title game ... over a 1-loss Pac-10 or Big-10 team. The Big-12 team would have one more regular season victory and that would also yield the Pac-10 vs Big-10 matchup in the Rose ...... for all of the "bowl traditionalists". I look at the #1 ranking for LSU and think just how close UF came to upsetting those guys in BRouge. :x
interesting <t>do you guys know how Oregon lost?<br/> <br/> Their player fumbled the ball just before he crossed the goal line for the game tying score at the end of regulation.<br/> <br/> While I've read/heard some talking heads mention the Oregon loss to 'Cal' like its a bad thing, let us not forget that if the SEC favorites win out right now, that Cal team beat SEC East Champ Tennessee. Ran up and threw up and down the field on them all night. What was it, 45-31?<br/> <br/> Not taking anything away from what Oklahoma or Kansas.<br/> <br/> My question is with LSU. Their talent can't be denied. Nor can the silly and goofy calls of their HC. This LSU team damn near lost IMHO, Florida, Alabama and Auburn could and probably should have beaten them. If Tubesteak was smart enough to challenge the spot, LSU could very well have lost. Still, good teams find ways to win and LSU's talent (once again) can't be denied.<br/> <br/> I just don't see the how/why LSU gets a pass in all of this. Why does it have to come down to a battle between Kansas/Oklahoma/Missouri/Oregon.</t>
oh yeah <t>Let's not forget that Oregon has once before been 'passed over' for a team that 'proved' it was tougher. Ironically, Nebraska skated to the National Title game in the Rose Bowl despite not winning their conference.<br/> <br/> The 'red hot' Colorado that actually won the Big12 went to the Fiesta Bowl after proving the true worth of a +1 conference title game... Colorado blasted Nebraska and dropped like 60some points on them, then beat Texas in the Big12 Title game.<br/> <br/> Then Oregon went on to dismantle Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl 38-16, in a game that was far more lopsided than the score would indicate.<br/> <br/> Its ok though, the Pac10 fans have come to expect this. "No one but USC is any good in the Pac10" blah blah blah.. We hear it every year.</t>
The past should have no bearing on which teams are selected for the 2008 BCS+1 game. Say a one-loss LSU wins the SEC Championship game and stands atop the BCS poll at 12-1 and gets one spot in the BCS +1. Say Oregon wins out after having lost at home to a 6-4, probably 8-4 Cal team … and ends their season at 11-1. Say Oklahoma wins out and then defeats a previously undefeated Kansas in the Big-12 Championship game and ends their season at 12-1. Or, say Kansas runs the table and ends their season at 13-0. Or, say that Missouri wins out …..defeating a previously undefeated Kansas, then a one-loss Oklahoma in the Big-12 Championship “rematch” game, ending their regular season at 12-1. I think Oklahoma, Kansas, or Missouri deserve the bid over Oregon based upon having at least one more regular season victory. In a fashion, they had to play their way into the BCS game. Heck, if tOSU wins out defeating Michigan for the Big-10 title, they as much a claim to the BSC+1 game as Oregon ... maybe more given the relative toughness of the Big-10.
:idea: I've seen Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Kansas. Only Kansas seems fast enough to stay with Oregon IMHO. As for the others, we're hoping to see them in the lower tier bowls against USC, Arizona State and Cal. We don't think that they match up...
B12 teams aren't fast enough. Let's see how'd that work out in 2005 when a not fast enough Texas took down faster than light USC? :?
Latest CBS bowl game projections. http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions MCG - Ill vs UF in the CapOne.
Those picks suck. Who wants a B12 Championship game part deux in the Fiesta Bowl and Georgia vs Hawaii...Hawaii is no Boise State. If they are going to take Kansas they should put them in the Sugar Bowl and have OU play Hawaii!!
This is where the BCS rules hurt the public viewing pleasure. With one exception no team ranked below 14 can qualify for the BCS, that exception is pretty obscure but possible so that in rare cases a team ranked #15 or #16 could make it. The kicker is the expansion of the slots and at the same time the limitation of conferences to 2 participants no matter what the ranking of the 3rd team is, see Wisconsin from last year. Color Code Red = automatic bid if LSU wins SEC and Oregon wins PAC10 and OU wins B12, Va Tech wins ACC and WVA wins Big East and OSU the B10. Color Code=Green for lucky team selected to replace Conf Champ in Traditional Bowl. Color Code = Orange for worthy teams that are SOL because their conference has 2 teams already. That leaves a pool of Virginia and Kansas for the At large spots that are remaining....some good matchups are going to be missed because of the rules and Notre Dame won't be the reason!! Hawaii???? They won't even qualify by the exception to the rules. Who wouldn't rather see Georgia/Kansas and OU/Arizona State?? RANK TEAM BCS AVERAGE 1 LSU .980 2 Oregon .938 3 Kansas .909 4 Oklahoma .854 5 Missouri .810 6 West Virginia .786 7 Ohio State .774 8 Arizona State .750 9 Georgia .672 10 Virginia Tech .613 11 USC .527 12 Florida .505 13 Texas .466 14 Virginia .407
TOK's best bowl senario. LSU/Oregon in the BCS+1 game. Keeps the Pac10 happy and should be a great game. Rose: USC/Ohio State Tradition for those Rose Bowl fans..plus a great game. Fiesta: OU vs Arizona State: Great Game. Sugar: Georgia vs Kansas: Great Game Orange: WVa vs Va.Tech both those teams travel well on the East Coast so it should be a big time sellout and a great game.
Not bad match ups but, still not convinced a 1-loss Oregon should get the BCS+1 slot over a no or 1-loss conference champ required to play a conference champ game .... or tOSU as the Big-10 champ. IMHO ... a loss to BSC #19 Illinois is a much better loss than to unranked Cal. Maybe UCLA can resolve the Oregon issue?
I think we may be in for a wild and unpredictable finish for the NC. Anyones guess at this point has merit! Don
more comedy <r><QUOTE><s> </e></QUOTE> So you have no problem with an unbeaten Hawaii getting a crack at the NC?<br/> <br/> If the past bears no weight in this, Kansas isn't #3 right now.<br/> <br/> If the past bears no weight, LSU is a 'suspect' top 3 team.<br/> <br/> If the past bears no weight, Boise State got screwed out of a shot at the NC.<br/> <br/> Its the past that sets the table for everything we do from the start of the season forward.<br/> <br/> And even following your mandate here and tossing history aside.. Oregon's one loss came in the last second, when an Oregon player fumbled the ball as he was crossing the goal line...to a team that defeated the probable SEC East champs. Your ship is leaking.</r>
The very bottom line is: The BCS totally blows if there aren't exactly two undefeated teams. If there are, then it just really sux. I hope they prove me wrong, but I don't see any way KU makes it through the rest of the season without a loss. I think them being 13-0 really messes up the big plan... They are the BCS nightmare in a year like this. Undefeated doormat when the traditional powers all have a loss. I LOVE IT! I feel bad for whatever school gets the shaft (unless it's L$U!), but you know it's gonna happen. I don't see how anyone can argue for one team over another unless they've played one of the others. Unless they decide it on the field... it's all just opinions, and we all know what those are worth...
This past should have no bearing on which team gets a BCS+1 bid. AFA Hawaii is concerned, I don't think they should get a bid over an undefeated Kansas, a one-loss Oregon, a one-loss LSU, a one-loss Oklahoma, a one-loss Missouri, or a one-loss OSU ....... as long as these teams are major conference champions. I just don't think Hawaii's undefeated season against the NCAA's #117 (cummulative opposition) schedule trumps the aforementioned achievements.
If Kansas wins out that means they have to beat at least two of the Big 12 teams ranked in the top 10 right now and they would finish the season 13 - 0. In my opinion there would be no way they could be kept out of the Championship Game. In fact they should be number one if they manage to win out.