Penalties: KSt 16 for 141 yds Aub 8 for 71 Notes: KSt was seemingly in command but hanging too close and then....whammo...a typical Auburn Saturday night formula at home for winning took it's toll and that is....penalties on the visisting team and the crowd. Somehow you just know that when a game is tight at home for Auburn that things will just..."go their way"....just ask LSU.
Laugh about it George but it is pervasive and I never enjoy watching that kind of crap go on. "Cox managed to get the Tigers down to the six-yard line after hitting James Swinton over the middle on a slant. After an offsides penalty on Kansas State, Cox found McKenzie open in the back, left corner of the end zone with 2:01 on the clock to give Auburn a 16-13 lead." On that offsides which was not very evident from watching TV and is not reviewable KSt had dropped the Aub running back for a crucial 4 yard loss. Auburn was down by 4 with 2 minutes left and that call gave them a huge amount of life. And so it is playing at Auburn on a Saturday night in Jordan-Hare....
I just perused Kansas State message boards and they are pissed off at the bad calls...and rightfully so. Heck in Michigan papers they are bemoaning the 7 penalties that Michigan committed as way too many and a big problem I wonder how they would feel about getting hosed for 16 penalties as KSt did. Granted some are legit....but 16 for KSU to 8 for Aub ??? The game changing offsides call ( damn I hate "game changing" and penalty in the same sentence) and a very bogus 15 yard facemask are just two examples of what went down.
ummmm <t>We just assume that's going to happen whenever we play any Southern team south of the Mason-Dixon.<br/> <br/> Its not an Auburn thing. Its a dixie thing. Well, for those that will play us.</t>
Hey Corey, do I remember you having some comments about Big 10 refs when Notre Dame played Big 10 teams? MCG, I know how it works, Auburn has this group of refs that they use for every home game. Never mind the rest of the SEC uses SEC refs, Auburn must just have this set of their own they use! :roll: :roll: :roll:
Yeah and I have explained how I feel and why about that group of SEC refs you refer to Bill. In Auburn's case I can think of at least one local ref from around there who refs Auburn home games...or did you forget? Obviously you do forget how you felt about that and I can tell you there's many KSt fans who feel that way today..
Everyone... please agree with him. Kansas State got hosed because they were called for more penalties than Auburn. Every time a team loses and more penalties are called against them, they got hosed! It can't be because of them COMMITING more penalties. No, couldn't be that!!!
I did say some penalties were surely committed. 16 for KSt and 8 for Aub absolutely did NOT happen though. The game turned on the offsides call that was not a blatanly detectable offsides and I am willing to bet Aub would NOT have been called for that. The 15 yard facemask on KSt was an absolute joke of a call and ESPN pointed that one out and made comments about how poor a call it was. Again...in light of factual evidence I form an opinion and about bad calls when playing at Auburn I have seen enough to stick with that opinion.
oh dont get me wrong <t>that 15 yard facemask penalty against KState was a joke. I don't think there was anything sinister there though.<br/> <br/> What I think happened is this... A few plays earlier, a KState defender had ripped off the helmet of the ball carrier. The Auburn crowed booed furiously. The officials were all looking around at each other as if to see exactly 'who saw what' or who was going to throw the flag. No one threw one because (and this was a great call) the kid had the BACK of the ball carriers helmet and it ripped off. There was no face mask.. But the home crowd booed and booed..<br/> <br/> The next time a tackle that, at game speed, appeared to result in an Auburn ball carrier going down at a weird angle resulted in a quick flag.<br/> <br/> That's the human element. Sure it was a bad call, but you'd have a hard time convincing me of any sinister connection. I knew as soon as the first one wasn't called (even though it was a good no call), that the next tackle that went 'oddly' would result in a face mask penalty for KState.</t>
I could agree with you Corey but as you say the refs knew the rules and didn't call anything on the back of the helmet grab because it was legal. Not sure then what they could have been trying to make up for. Otherwise in the last 8 minutes of the game which were desperate times for a sputtering Auburn offense there must have been 6 penalties called on KSt. That to me looked unacceptable and on that offsides it can be a judgement call depending on what the ref sees in his own judgement if there is not a clear violation otherwise which I didn't think there was. I am all for reviewing penalties when called in the 4th quarter of games and I wish there was a rule change to allow it.
MCG, Enjoy the games. This isn't the WWE. The human element is part of the deal. I really think you are taking the fun out of it.... for yourself.
"I am all for reviewing penalties when called in the 4th quarter of games and I wish there was a rule change to allow it." I think this would go a long way toward reversing if you will bad calls made in the crucial 4th quarter of tight games. I do enjoy the games George...very much. I do not enjoy it when teams get hosed and especially if it's Florida as they did vs. FSU in 2003. I think LSU fans feel as if it's a given that when the Tigers play at Auburn they are playing more than just the football players. I hate to think that is acceptable to casual football observers of that game.
It's tough to win on the road in the SEC and many other places and that has more to do with the crowd. Thing is MCG you get these fixations with refs and carry them to infinity and beyond. Auburn does not assign the refs at their games, the SED does. And I would bet that if you checked facts as you love to do that the Gators have a better home record since 1990 than Auburn does. And I bet the Auburn fans might have some feelings about how the games are called at LSU.
ugggh <t>mcg,<br/> <br/> I am sure they know the rules. What I am saying is that the first call led to the officials standing around looking at each other with that 'oh f*ck, did any of you see that so we can call it?' look on their face.<br/> <br/> I am fairly certain that when the helmet off play happened, those officials FELT a penalty happened, but no one saw it so they didn't call it. But the next time anything remotely CLOSE to a facemask came up, they'd jump on it, and they did.<br/> <br/> In real time, both tackles LOOKED like they could be face masks at the time. It was only until slow motion replay of both plays was done that you could clearly see that neither was a penalty.</t>
"Thing is MCG you get these fixations with refs and carry them to infinity and beyond." You said it so it must be so...... :roll: :roll: On Auburn's home record vs. UF since 1990 there are several very poor seasons on Auburn's resume in that time so yes thay have a worse home record than Florida with good reason.