Interesting list... http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070804/COLUMNIST0201/708040362/1107 I think I have to agree that Spur Dog may still be the best but I don't feel Meyer is too far behind. Saban is definitely not ahead of Meyer and even Richt or Tubbs until he proves he can do it at Bama. Fulmer is aptly described here I think and needs a comeback year sooner than later.
I don't agree that Tommy Tubberville is the 2nd best coach in the SEC , I would put Urban at #2 only because Spurrier has a larger body of work. Terry
i <t>i think you are seriously discounting the job Saban did. If this article rings true in its descriptions, LSU is led by an also ran. From the mouths around here (and all over college football) LSU is the favorite to win the SEC in the supposed best conference in the land. If Miles is half the rube he is made out to be, then you have to attribute LSU's greatness to its former coach..Nick Saban. If that guy puts a lock down on in-state, or worse yet, regional talent then we may be in for a lot more big bowl games for the Tide.<br/> <br/> I also think you guys dont give ole SOS enough credit. You ARE the Florida that Bear Bryant warned the world about all these many years later because of the 'Ole Ball Coach.' Everything that you are, and everything you will be is built upon the foundation that Steve Spurrier laid for you. SCAR was always scrappy and sometimes even fun to watch. I thought the one contribution Holtz made there was that he gave them heart and taught them how to fight. What Spurrier is doing there is different. He's teaching them how to win. I've really come to admire SOS as a tactician watching him at SCAR, and I've realized just how much I didn't appreciate what he did at Florida. Do you really stop to think that now those games with SCAR on the schedule arent gimmes anymore. In fact, there's a damn good chance they will beat you if you don't bring yourself prepared to do battle. You should all thank your lucky stars that a cheating criminal empire like Clemson is in that same state to keep him from hording the in-state talent... South Carolina is small, but it produces quality players and both Tennessee and Georgia are regular raiders of that talent base as well... The ole ball coach is something to contend with. Don't go forgetting who brought you to the dance Gators...<br/> <br/> I'm not sure that would be the case if Urbie was the HC of the Cocks.. He still has a way to go<br/> <br/> We'll see.</t>
Hey Corey I give Spurrier all the credit you mentioned and maybe even more. I thought my football world had ended the day he left but Meyer brought it back. As far as S. Carolina beating Florida with Spurrier at the helm, he beat us his, and Meyer's, first year and last year it took a blocked extra point and a blocked field goal to get a 17-16 win. Most of us Gators know that Spurrier is a threat to beat us any time we go on the field together. I'm glad to see though that you finally have the appreciation for him that I've always had, and still do. :twisted: :twisted:
Hey I agreed Steve is still #1 in the SEC until proven otherwise. If he stays any length of time at SC he will win the SEC IMHO. On his starting the Florida program I think it was Pell who really got UF to the top first even if he wasn't minding the store on ethics and cost the program dearly after that. If we had a BCS in 1984 and Pell didn't screw up I think that NY Times #1 finishing team would have beaten all comers in a bowl and would have annihilated BYU if it was them as an opponent. Certainly though under legit circumstances Spurrier took UF to where they still are at today and that is a nationally recognized program that can win.
mcg <t>I respectfully disagree.<br/> <br/> Spurrier saved you from Pell's legacy. Spurrier took you from 'just another Southern program with shady boosters and greased palms' and turned you into a REAL national power that won doing it the right way.</t>
"won doing it the right way." Absolutely agree with that Corey on Spurrier. Pell was in great error not realizing he could have won the right way too but it just wasn't important enough to him I guess. Pell actually scewed Galen Hall more than anybody other than himself....and the fans.
My list <t>Spurrier - For his history (NC) and the "more with less" factor at SC<br/> Meyer - Reigning NC - Enough said - Can he do it with his players?<br/> Miles - NC - Can he do it with his players?<br/> Fulmer - NC - Has time passed him by?<br/> Tuberville - Got screwed out of his shot at the NC- consistantly on top<br/> Saban - NC - Obviously based on his history - Hasn't had a game yet at Alabama<br/> Richt - Sit or get off the pot time for his tenure at UGA<br/> Nutt - Arkansas is good but who is running the asylum<br/> Johnson - Vanderbilt is Vanderbilt but a perennial "more with less" situation<br/> Brooks - Kentucky is still a basketball centric situation<br/> Croom - a surprise, I thought he would turn MSU around by now<br/> Orgeron - No one is running the asylum</t>
Corey, you are right about Spurrier and right about Pell except for one thing. Pell was the coach who mobilized the boosters into an effective group. Effective the wrong way under him, but with the right leadership and direction our booster organization works very well in raising money to support our programs. With all the bad things Pell did he did put that piece of the puzzle in place. But I am totally gratified as to your new attitude on the Spur.
kp, I think your list is pretty reasonable but you have your own coach rated to low and aren't giving enough credit to Richt. Most times I don't like lists in order but maybe groupings. So here's a try on my part. A list Spurrier Meyer Fulmer Saban A- list Richt Miles Tuberville B list Nutt, would be highter bt for the mess at Arkansas Brooks, pretty amazing what he did at Kentucky last year Not sure Orgeron Croom Johnson Within the list there is no particular order Croom is a guy I'm really pulling for to succeed. But I think it's going to be very hard at Miss State. The Ole Miss administrators are living firmly rooted in the 50's when Ole Miss was a SEC power, that isn't likely to happen now. They were really stupid to fire the only coach that almost put them in the SEC Championship game. I may have under reated Miles, let's see how he does with his own players. All in all I have to say this, there are some very good coaches in the SEC. In this decade no team has won the SEC more than two times. Florida, LSU and Georgia have won 2 times each and Auburn once.
When I was in school at UF in the mid-70s Doug Dickey took Fla to the Sugar and Gator Bowls and he had some pretty good teams. However....the "Gator Nation" did not begin to be born I think until the Pell era and 1983-84. It was about that time that Florida's sphere of influence seemed to grow in the fan base and booster organization as Bill says. By the late 80s UF's infrastructure was pretty well in place and then Spurrier came on at just the right time to take Florida to that next level.... ...a level that would eventually see an 8-5 season with Ron Zook not cut the mustard.
ummm <t>Steve Spurrier won the ACC at Duke.... fooken Duke. Any time he stepped on your campus would have been the right time.<br/> <br/> You guys can pay lip service to yet another southern shop keep who couldn't watch the cash register....but he's not even in the same building as the 'ole ball coach.' Spurrier is/was special.</t>
I don't get it Corey, of course Spurrier was the best we ever had, that is until now as I put Meyer right there with him. The point was that a lot of the things that make the Gators so successful right now were put in place by Pell. That doesn't mean I admire him, it's just the facts. Spurrier is the best thing that ever happened to the Gators for a number of reasons, unfortunately he left which in my opinion was a mistake on his part. But he put us on the map and set the path for where we are now. Having said that there are a number of things about Meyer that I admire even more than Spurrier and that's saying a lot as I think you know of my admiration for the old ball coach.
Crazy John from Michigan says I'm right...without air conditioning there wouldn't be an SEC. Just kidding.
Hey Stu you actually have a pretty good point, without air conditioning a lot of people who now live in the south would still be in the north! :lol: :lol: