Simple solution; 1. Don't draw an incredibly stupid personal foul penalty on yourself. 2. Have your coaches control your team and don't get an entire bench penalty.
This is a mountain out of a molehill. This will maybe happen once a year. If this is all that Florida has to complain about then they are having a good year. :lol:
Joseph is one of our top defensive players who has been on fire lately and we were behind on the road in an SEC East game. Losing him for the game was significant. If the rule is changed so that everyone who gets a PF or Unsportsmanlike gets ejected the first time then ok.... because that essentially is what this was.
no, he already had a personal foul for a bit of thuggery. It was just **** luck that his entire team picked up one later.
Geez, how many times we gotta go over this? He had TWO PF's 'cuz the whole team got one as a unit. If anybody else got another PF later in the game they'd be gone because then they would have had two as well. He already had his...so...buh bye, now.
So therefore if you opened the link I provided and saw him standing quietly in the background with his forthcoming ejection completely out of his control you would understand why a UF fan would think that part of the rule stinks.
Your team got a TEAM foul. He did right by staying back so as to not get a second individual PF. But your team got a TEAM foul...his loss is on your TEAM and it's COACHES and their LACK OF CONTROL...not on the rule book.
The intent of the rule is to instill reasonable aggression limits during the contest of a violent sport. If those reasonable limits are breached, the individual(s) are punished. If those reasonable limits are breached a second time (indicating the individual(s) cannot keep themselves under control) then they are removed from the field of play, avoiding a potentially explosive situation. In this case, the rule was effective, in that the young man did hang back to try to avoid his second PF. Win for both the rule and the kid. However, the rest of his teammates did not keep a cool head and ended up earning him his second PF. The coaches should be using this as a teaching opportunity to remind his players that they CANNOT LEAVE THE BENCH/SIDELINE FOR A BRAWL. If you do, there is a much better chance one of our players will be removed from the game. I hate when the intended result is achieved (the young man avoiding the brawl) yet through another mechanism the punishment ends up being doled out anyway. However, I don't see any other reasonable way this could have been avoided, other than the FLORIDA TEAM not acting as a unit of thugs, with the exception of the young man in question. I do have one idea that would have worked in THIS INSTANCE but would easily be abused in the future, was to allow instant replay for the application of the rule. With a cursory glance, it would have been easy to see that this ONE INDIVIDUAL could be exempted from his PF. The down side to this modification, however, would be that everyone on the team would feel free to enable their inner thug, unless they had already received their first PF. As the rule is now applied, EVERYONE should be thinking about the chance of ANYONE ON THEIR TEAM having a second PF. After all that, the benefits of the current application of the rule outweigh the singular down side in this instance. With that being said, I guarantee I would be incensed if it were to happen to the Cougars in a hotly contested game and Hercules was the one that had been ejected. MCG, I empathize with you, but I don't think changing the rule is the right thing to do.
I think you have a well stated post WSU except for this: "FLORIDA TEAM not acting as a unit of thugs" Well... Vandy's players were also out on and all the way across the field in support of their coach who was also all the way across the field mutually yelling at Mullen. UF's players were in support of their coach as were Vandy's but thugs or acting as thugs? No punches thrown... no physical confrontations.... I've seen much much worse "thuggish" behavior in MLB.
You won the game, the rule was enforced. It's not reasonable to go to video and see if you can find out who participated and who didn't. Kind of like in basketball, if you leave the bench when there is a fight on the court, no matter if your intention is to support your teammate or whatever...you're in trouble. It doesn't matter if you never throw a punch or never even touch another player. You left the bench, it's against the rules. You pay.
MCG - I thought my stance would be implicitly understood to apply to any similar team/situation. If you need it explicitly stated, then the VANDERBILT TEAM also acted as a unit of thugs. Perhaps perhaps "acting like a violent mob" would have been more to your liking? Having seen worse behavior in other situations doesn't provide an argument that this behavior was acceptable. The players should ALWAYS let the coach/staff do the talking, and that should be ingrained in their brain by this time in their career. Emotions run hot, which argues further for the continued application of the rule.
Well everyone has an opinion on this and mostly I think it boils down to if it isn't your favorite team's key defensive player standing innocently on the sideline who get's tossed because of a quirky rule then hey.... the rule's the rule.... blah blah blah.... Easy for you to say when it 's someone else's problem and WSU at least admits that.
Sorry, don't play that card...not buying it ("easy for you to say".) After watching your guy plant the Vandy player's head into the turf, he then fell victim of his coach and his team's lack of control. I might add that the OTHER coach was on the field with an injured player when YOUR coach went out onto the field. I don't know who started the yapping but YOUR coach went out on the field and gave the Vandy coach a big F... Y... Yeah, we all look at things through our (insert team colors here) glasses, but hey, man...your guys and your player were victims of their own actions and lack of control.
Stu I don't think anyone who watches college football thinks a player... anyone's player.... should be ejected after one personal foul or unsportsmanlike penalty other than targeting to the head. That said.... this was unusual.... probably won't see it again for a while (until it happens to Purdue or Ohio State... Lol ) and in reality UF played better defense and came from behind for the win after he was ejected....hey maybe he was a cancer holding the team back! Lol
Well, there is at least one person who thinks he got TWO personal or unsportsmanlike fouls, thanks to his coaches and his team.
The key here is to not get yourself the first PF where you could "fall victim" to a second through a team foul in which you did not participate. The team foul did not eject your player. The fact that he already had a PF did. Would you be so vocal if the team foul came first and then his own PF???
No I would not... Since team unsportsmanklike penalties while obviously possible are quite rare a player getting an unsportsmanlike wouldn't be giving that a lot of forethought before his first infraction. But.... if a team did already have one then a player knows he would be ejected if he did get his first one. This debate is not about how a UF player screwed up and got an unsportsmanlike and that makes him a evil miscreant needing ejection.... Many many players on just about every single team get these penalties throughout the course of a season..... it just doesn't usually get followed up by a team unsportsmanlike also resulting in ejection.