I have a feeling that after the rankings come out for 2017 that UF will make quite a push up toward the the top of the list. Then there is this bad character who in my estimation probably single-handedly cost UF the SEC Championship game vs. Alabama in 2009 when he was found asleep at the wheel in Gainesville by the GPD on the frigging Tuesday the week of the title game in Atlanta in Tebow's last season at Florida: https://www.thecarlosdunlapfoundation.org/ By the way Carlos Dunlap was the MVP of the 2008 National Title game victory vs. Oklahoma and I think possibly he would have made a slight difference in the amount of time McElroy had that day in barely getting his passes off....which was the difference in that game offensively for Bama. Pretty damned frustrating that this crap keeps happening in Gainesville and yes.... I do think the next man up at coach will have to deal with it as a detriment to his success at Florida.
Dave, What are you talking about? Alabama has kids get in trouble every year and every year Saban gets rid of them. They wind up finishing their careers at Jacksonville State, West Alabama or North Alabama... some go JUCO. The Irish have suffered every few years from some kids doing something stupid. We had what 5 kids busted last year? How many times did you see an ND fan blame 4-8 on the local PD? The biggest difference, as I see it, is that these other programs address the problem and then move on (even if that means moving on with another player). You are hanging it all on the police for the criminal actions of these kids. You can't possibly be so thin at Florida that you can't move on without those kids. If you are, that's the real crime here because other programs aren't.
Gators still not at the top of the 2017 Fulmer Cup...lots of schools ahead of you. And sure when a significant player doesn't something stupid it hurts the team..but you seem to continue to imply that 1) other teams never have this happen and 2) only in Gainesville would a cop arrest a person who was asleep in his car on the side of the road. It happens lots of other places, usually they are not asleep they are passed out from alcohol or drugs. Ask Tiger Woods and he's not even a Gator. 2017 Fulmer Cup
Years ago if you didn't hit anyhing or anyone sometimes an understanding cop would just say git on home boy and don't let me see you out here again like that. Happened to me when I was in college at UF in the early 70s. Times have changed.... and Dunlap and the team paid a huge price. I'm willing to bet that in The Bear's day it was identical to what I experienced.... but maybe not now. Terry UF lost 9 players to the one incident in August.... including an all SEC WR and the best RB we had for this year. Seems like that should have impacted our ranking significantly.
Dave, If you are going to blame the cops for enforcing the laws instead of the players who break those laws, I would recommend the following. When you hold the camps for recruits, in addition to measuring 40 times and vertical leaps, consider a test for common sense and character.
Dave meanwhile the character assassination of the Miami players and University is thrown out by every media source and opposing fan base in the country to this day. This being based on what happened in the 1980's and 90's. I didn't see our name making any impact on the Fulmer Cup list compared to other schools pointing their fingers. If anybody has a bitch it should be our fan base and administration. We may have been the poster child for what was wrong with collegiate athletes years ago but we paid the price with many infractions and became irrelevant for over 15 years. What is different now than during that period 15-20 years ago....We don't have any fear of the Fulmer Cup because we don't tolerate that behavior period, the players know the rules and if you break them you go down the road. Kids 18-22 are not angels, especially pampered athletes who have the worship of fans and the media calling on them. But there cannot be exemptions from the written law, if your son or my son did the crime I have a feeling the punishment would have been much worse from the authorities...
My problem with Dave's position is his assertion that Fla is unfairly and with a higher frequency targeted by the hometown police depts while other top schools are coddled by their local police. I just don't see that.
Terry, nobody sees that except Motor City Gator. It doesn't matter what evidence is provided he just ignores it and repeats the same unsupported assertions. Like the other thread, I think I'm moving on. Dilly, Dilly? :lol:
Agreed.... and intelligence. Then we can strive to be as permanently irrelevant as Northwestern and Vanderbilt while others who enjoy elite college football in their stadiums deal with typical inner city teenagers in whatever way they do.
I believe he was coach when a Gator starter once was arrested for throwing a wad of paper at an employee of an ice cream store or something like that. Didn't seem though like there was such a rash of arrests as we have experienced in the past 15 years or so. I do think that when you examine the blown up season of 2017 you have to be greatly concerned about how to tightly control the behavior of these teens who are freshly away from home and some coming from some questionable backgrounds. It's going to be a nightmare for the incoming coach because if the players don't walk that line very tightly there will be trouble for certain and more suspensions and disruption of continuity.
That's what Charlie Strong walked into at Texas and a bunch of kids left the program because 1) they had issues with passing the weed test and 2) issues with the Austin PD. They thought they were being persecuted, they were entitled to party and do weed and other stupid stuff. We had one 5 star kid who was a freshman and went with an upper classman who had been booted from the team for bad behavior to repossess his TV from somebody who reportedly stole it...well short story when they got there he told the kid here hold this (gun) while I go inside...so of course it's all caught on survelliance and the kid never plays a down for Texas and was previously thought of as a good kid. **** happens, and there is a price to pay.
It looks like a done deal. I am starting a new topic and if MCG hijacks it with his nonsense about arrests I will delete or ban him. Perhaps one or both of the other moderators will over rule me but that's the way it is for the moment. MCG, on the new topic talk about our new coach or remember what I said.
Might as well sub Florida for Texas Terry in your post and there you have it.... Of course Strong lost his ass at Texas..... and was fired fairly quickly. He wasn't too rewarded for being a strong influence and changing the disciplinary narrative at Texas. His time at USF is much much easier.... and I doubt he would even want to deal with all those issues in Gainesville again. There's lots and lots of trouble to be had in Tampa but those cops are way too busy with hard crime to dog USF players all the time for things that inner city kids shouldn't be doing.... but sometimes do anyway. Again.... I'm not condoning bad or illegal behavior.... I just think it's way too illogical to think campus discipline is fair and identical all across 117 college campuses with all of the variables involved.
Bill, you would get no veto from me. I have refused to acknowledge his presence here for probably a year.
I enjoy Spurrier, but I honestly believe he puts himself before all else (including the program). I didn't think bringing him back was the right move at the time, and my concerns about him proved true as time went on. I've been asking the Spurrier question before and didn't get an answer. He's been rather vocal about it.
I don't like Spurrier, and I too thought it was a bad idea bringing him back to the campus. Too much ego.
Us Gators believe having Spurrier on campus is a great idea. He has always loved UF and while opinionated at times we still love him.