I mean really.... 13 dead is no big deal. Just another day in 'Merica. In the days of George Washington the constitution said every American.... Even the insane ones have the right to bear a one shot musket. So this sick **** in Oregon must be one helluva fast reloader to kill 13 people don't ya think?
:roll: He asked each student, "Are you a Christian?" If they said yes, he shot them in the head. The Left's war against Christians continues...yawn.
You really draw some sort of political correlation and possible rationality from the murderous actions of a crazy person? Yeah he was just carrying out the leftist agenda.... Jeezus
This school was a "gun free" zone which means of course the the law abiding victims were all unarmed sitting-duck targets. Even the security guards were unarmed. So the solution of course is to make the whole country a gun free target range. The same type of assholes who thought Prohibition would stop drinking now think gun control would solve this problem.
Last night in Chicage 14 people were shot in 15 hours. Six of them are dead. Did I miss Obama's press conference ?
Please please please let Obama tell us how much safer we are in places with heavy gun control. Meanwhile 50 people were shot in the People's Republic of Chicago LAST WEEKEND... :roll:
You gun owners are just nuts, you act like people are chasing you and are going to take away your guns....Pffft...Grow up and relax..... New York Daily News: State Dept Must Designate the NRA a Terrorist Organization On October 3–two days after a gunman killed 10 at the gun free facilities on the Umpqua Community College campus–the New York Daily News called for the U.S. State Department to designate the National Rifle Association (NRA) a “terrorist organization.” http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/04/new-york-daily-news-state-dept-must-designate-nra-terrorist-organization/
Some things bother me greatly about the conservative responses: > The right to bear arms I really don't believe included the right to bear assault weapons by crazy people > I see no remorse or concern from the right about the continual murders of innocent people.... many of them young people or even children > college students, schoolchildren and teachers, American soldiers on US soil and good church going black people are somehow equated to Chicago street thugs in the same vein with no explanation or apology. Such is the methodology of gun rights activists and the conservative right.
Just amazing how those who wonder about those who wrote the second amendment and what they'd think of today's weapons, apparently believe that the framers of the 14th amendment wanted it to apply to legalizing gay marriage. As they always do the left blames the right for every tragedy that occurs today from mass shootings to train wrecks. No surprise that they expect that the right feel remorse for every incident. And as we all know you aren't showing "concern" unless you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction and demand that the government take things or money away from Americans in response. And as to the thugs who are slaughtering each other let's remember that Black Lives Matter. And we see evidence of that when the White House sends representatives to the funeral of a thug like Michael Brown.
OK Dave... I will address each "point" since you were so kind to put them up: The right to bear arms I really don't believe included the right to bear assault weapons by crazy people. First... an AR 15 is NOT an assault rifle. You need to update your vocabulary, just like all the rest of the sniveling Left Wingers who have no idea of what they speak. An assault rifle has "select fire" - and can be used FULLY AUTOMATIC. The only difference between my AR 15, and a Browning 7mm Magnum "hunting" rifle is the appearance, and the increased options for magazine size. Laws already exist to prevent "crazy people" from having guns, no one I know opposes them. I see no remorse or concern from the right about the continual murders of innocent people.... many of them young people or even children. What an idiotic thing to say. You somehow equate me wanting to protect my rights with not having empathy for victims of a madman? I hope we meet someday... I want you to say that to my face. college students, schoolchildren and teachers, American soldiers on US soil and good church going black people are somehow equated to Chicago street thugs in the same vein with no explanation or apology. Please explain what the ""F you are talking about?? Where have you seen this comparison? Please list examples so I can figure out what twisted logic you are attempting to use here.
Uh yeah.... how's that working out? And read through the comments on Skybox about how we don't care about Chicago gun law abuse and murders etc. as a response to caring too much I guess about the other seemingly weekly massacres going on in this country. No we don't need to meet..... wouldn't be a nice conversation or accomplish much I can see.
Dave, correct me if I'm mistaken but weren't you complaining about heavy handed cops on here.a few weeks ago?
Okay my comments are all conjecture here but very close to the probable reality. Eventually in the near future to own a gun buy ammo or the materials to load ammo will require fingerprints, safety test and a psychological test on a yearly basis. The testing will be continually argued by "experts" on the value it provides and jump from local counties to state to federal and every court in between. I work for Italians so I will use them as a model, if you want to own a firearm you approach the local government hoping they are not anti-gun to request the purchase, if you are approved you spend your money and it arrives at the local police department. Then after the above testing requirements are completed and you pay the additional handling charges by the local police you arrange the storage fees required to store your firearm with the local police, yes in Italy it is against the law to legally have a firearm at your residence. So after the above requirements are met and you are paying your storage fees you decide you want to shoot the above mentioned firearm. This requires thirty day notice that you want to actually use your firearm and needs to be decided by the local police. So you ask in advance, pay another additional fee and stop by the police station showing once again you actually own the firearm, this gives you a maximum of 12 hours to use your firearm or face jail time for illegally having a firearm outside of the 12 hours. So......The end result in Italy is that most people do not own a firearm, this is taken into account by American pollsters who share their data with news media and other organizations who in turn share the remarkable news that Italy a country we all love, respect and call civilized has almost no gun ownership while a great portion of Neanderthal Americans, probably Southerners, definitely conservative bible thumpers own guns. So with these wonderful expectations that I fully believe would and will come true once the initial dam breaks in gun control I am a bit hesitant in willingly giving up any rights to the guns I have owned for thirty years. This includes raising a family with children safely who have learned gun safety without an incident to this point. Yes I am heartbroken every time I hear the terrible news where innocent lives are taken, it is not overlooked or accepted, it is tragic. But I am not willingly ready to give up my rights to those who would in rapid fashion work at making us model Italian citizens.
Dave, do you have a drinking or drug problem? Your last post has absolutely no hint of a coherent thought in it... No need to answer, I'm done.
Scott just sayin that I keep getting references to and correlations of Chicago street murders as they relate to mass murders of college kids and unarmed servicemen etc. It's not the same.... there's no similarity between the two. Lawless and willful and wanton street crime is always going to be a difficult problem to control. But when it comes to crazy people having access to multiple automatic weapons and subsequently shooting up our innocent kids I think we should at least try something to control it. If the very idea of that disturbs you and your conservative friends then I guess we are very very far apart in our thinking with no chance of common ground.
I don't want deranged people to have guns. Problem is that some of these mass murders didn't get guns legally or illegally..they used their parents/uncles/cousins/grandparents/etc guns. Some of them did purchase them legally, the Oregon guy got some and his family members got some. Certainly aren't any laws that can help if family members who are sane and pass all the background checks buy them and allow the insane nutjob relative to have access to them. Plus if there are laws and background checks that should turn up that stuff but not all nutjobs end up on some list that says don't sell to this wacko. The Sandy Hill gunman used his mothers guns to kill her and those kids. How could any gun law have prevented that?
If the Sandy Hill mom were alive she should have been charged with murder. She was well aware of the severity of her son's illness and yet encouraged him to have weapons.