Notre Dame vs Purdue

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  1. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Irish come out in Shamrock series uniforms....I like them!!!

    Is that a special helmet for Purdue?
     
  2. Terry O'Keefe

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    Nice 1st drive, Golson looks great, Folston the same..dart to Fuller for TD
     
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    Well a typical ND/Purdue game has broken out.
     
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    Dog fight just like last year. Great drive though to end the half, terrific block by Chris brown on the goal line to give Gilson the space to score easily.
     
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    Purdue's helmets look great. Their team doesn't look that bad at all.

    We look rather 'ugh' at times, but perhaps Purdue has something to do with that as well.
     
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    Not a fun game to watch but it's over. Hope our injured guys will be ok in 2 weeks. Meanwhile, it's nice to see BC upsetting somebody else.
     
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    <t>Well we didn't play very well and lost more players. We did win. <br/>
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    I changed my mind again, I'm glad to see this game come to an end for now. No matter how they looked in previous games, Purdue always finds a way to play well against ND.</t>
     
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    Meanwhile Cent. MI who beat Purdue last week got clocked at home by the 'Cuse. Nothing's easy.
     
  9. Terry O'Keefe

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    Well it wasn't like last year, we shut them out in the 2nd half. BUT we struggled a lot, didn't run the ball well again and we are pretty beat up. I have to wonder if Barratti's career is done... that was another shoulder and he missed all last year and had some issue with it coming into the season.
     
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    btw, that was a terrible targeting ejection. Good grief.
     
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    Yes, I'm becoming an old crank. I hate those uniforms; I don't understand the point of the "Shamrock Series" and I won't miss Purdue one bit. For decades they've been a pain in our arse and today was no exception. Even when we beat those guys it feels like a loss...

    1. Will Fuller is becoming quite a weapon. He's scoring a TD every week and he's becoming a "go-to" receiver and not just a deep threat.

    2. I see that Max Redfield finally went over the edge. On a team with the captain (Collinsworth) out and no one but inexperienced kids behind him, he decides to head shot a sliding QB. The phrase "poor judgment" hardly covers the selfish, incompetence that he displayed in this game. Somehow, his targeting ejection doesn't seem like enough punishment...

    3. Golson missed a few things today, but overall, he's the main reason that the Irish are undefeated.

    4. Jaylon Smith really is all-world.

    5. Joe Schmidt is my favorite player since Tommy Zbikowski.

    6. The Dline missed true freshman Andrew Trumbetti today. This was the worst pass rush that we had all year and his absence was noticeable.

    7. The Irish ground attack is very simple and predictable. I suspect that Kelly is saving a lot of it for other opponents down the road.

    8. When 325lb, freshman, Daniel Cage is in at nose guard we don't lose a thing. He's a beastie boy.

    9. The Irish will need an extra week off to heal some injuries, but I agree with Terry on Nicky Baratti. As good as he is, he may be too fragile to play this game...
     
  12. George Krebs

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    Injuries, suspensions and ejections. Notre Dame’s depth took a big hit on Saturday night.

    Still no word on the disciplinary hearings for Notre Dame’s five suspended players. But at least four of them would’ve played major minutes on Saturday night, especially as the Irish started dropping like flies.

    As mentioned, Lombard was held out with an ankle injury. So was Andrew Trumbetti, likely lingering effects from a nasty helmet-to-helmet crack-back block suffered against the Wolverines. But two of the Irish’s deepest position groups were under siege Saturday night, with the secondary and the receiving corps getting hit hard with injuries.

    A week after a career day, slot receiver Amir Carlisle suffered an MCL injury and sat out the second half. How long he’ll be out remains to be seen, but it was a fairly significant blow to the passing game’s productivity and could remain one if C.J. Prosise isn’t capable of playing to Carlisle’s level. With Torii Hunter Jr. still being held out and DaVaris Daniels still in limbo, the Irish need more from Chris Brown, who was called for a hold and only made one catch Saturday night.

    On the defensive side of the ball, Max Redfield’s helmet-to-helmet hit on Etling resulted in an ejection, forcing the Irish to play down two starters with Austin Collinsworth already out of the game. Backup Nicky Baratti only lasted one play, his surgically repaired shoulder “slipping out,” per Kelly. That forced the Irish into a situation where Elijah Shumate was playing next to Drue Tranquill, with the freshman playing major minutes at a position with a ton of responsibility.

    The cornerback depth chart also took a hit with Cole Luke coming out after a big collision. But credit Devin Butler with a nice performance, stepping in and making one of the game’s big plays, his first career interception. Yet it isn’t hard to see how badly the Irish need KeiVarae Russell back.

    Notre Dame doesn’t play again until the 27th, giving them some time to get healthy. But some of the young, unproven depth Brian Kelly talked about this preseason are going to have to play, especially if any of these injuries are serious.
     
  13. Stu Ryckman

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    Congratulations on another win (sigh). Losses hurt even when you expect them.

    Maybe, just maybe, I saw some things that portend better things for us ahead.

    We sucked last year but the cupboard was bare. Then when we didn't play so well the first two games there was a lot of folks looking at the fact that our recruiting class (Hazzell's first) was ranked last in the conference last year.

    I prefer to look at the turnaround he did at Kent State and feel like he didn't do it with smoke and mirrors.

    Anyhow back to the game. A bit sloppy by both teams but both played hard. I continue to wish we wouldn't tackle so poorly. Not sure if it's lack of athleticism or a coaching problem.

    Our defense played pretty well all game but your defensive adjustments at the second half took away a lot of what we were doing on offense. Maybe that's why Etling looked so bad in the third quarter...but I'm not sold on him yet. He looked like that all game last week. Missing easy throws, throwing too quickly, throwing off balance, etc. He's a gutsy kid, though. Had a smooth first half.

    Golson is just Golson. What a talent.

    Your defense continued to play well after all the player losses and position adjustments later in the game.

    We wore those same helmets twice last year. The kids liked them. I like them.

    I thought the helmet to helmet thing was clearly unintentional in that he wasn't aiming for the head...Danny just slid down into him when he was already committed. And I am not a rules guru but I was pretty sure that they would NOT overturn the ruling. Intentional or not he was leading with his helmet (yeah, I know, it's football and sometimes you just have to) but the rule says (I think) that if you lead with the helmet and initiate a helmet to helmet contact, it's "targeting" (by rule...not intent) and out you go. It's on the defensive player to try and avoid that. It doesn't matter how it happened. I could be wrong, I dunno. But we lost Williams, perhaps our best defensive player, on an almost identical situation last week, and the play was huge, allowing a touchdown drive at a crucial time.

    The dumb penalty was the one Phillips got for roughing Golson...the hit wasn't so damn hard but it was so late it was ridiculous. Golson was practically back in the locker room taking his shoes off. We were lucky Phillips wasn't ejected for that one...if he'd have hit him harder he probably would have been.

    I thought our dbacks played pretty well. Golson racked up a lot of yardage but he was throwing right on all day and your receivers are awesome. Our guys looked like midgets against your guys yet often stuck with them pretty well and broke up some great passes (much to the chagrin of the crowd, who usually wanted an interference call).

    Raheem Mostert really got some yards after being hit and made some plays after contact...for such a little guy.

    Anyhow it's over. Good luck the rest of the way, and maybe we'll see you in 2020.
     
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    Stu, you should feel pretty good about Purdue's play last night, especially after last week's egg-laying fiasco. Your defensive front 7 did an excellent job vs. our running game, which made our OL blocking appear deficient. Your pass rush was better than ours - 4 sacks vs. our 2 (throwing out the last play of the game). Your corners played great, regardless of the size difference. Purdue has had good CB play for several years now. The QB you used in the game was much better than the guy who played the first two games. :lol: Mostert definitely was not Least-ert. The kid is tough and fast. Purdue looks like it has the potential to win a few games in the Big10 this year. I hope so. I like your coach.

    On the other side, I thought our tackling last night harkened back to the Weis era. Very, very sloppy.

    JO'Co, I was glad to see your comments re: Redfield, although sad you had to make them. I was going to remain silent to avoid a repetition of last week's debate, but I'm concerned that the kid is fast gaining a reputation as a thug. Yes, you can say it wasn't intentional, which I believe, but there was time - if only an instant - for him to pull off when he saw the QB start his slide. Like it or not, the rule is clear. I believe it was enforced properly. He hurt his team.

    I'm concerned about our run blocking, which IMO has looked only average in the last two games. Thank goodness we have three tough, fast, second-effort RBs.

    Purdue's pass rush put a lot of pressure on Golson, but for the most part he handled it well. Thank goodness for his amazing mobility. Again, our blocking needs to improve.

    I truly believe we will not face a tougher set of defensive backs than we saw last night. If I'm wrong, shame on me. If I'm right, then we have to feel good about Golson's ability to hit the open receiver and not make stupid throws. Sure, some of his throws were off target, but in general, I thought he did a masterful job of leading the offense.

    I sure hope we get healthy in the next two weeks.
     
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    Purdue's defensive line won a unanimous decision over the Irish O-Line. And Purdue won the physicality award as well as a half dozen of our players are banged up. Its probably more than that but some have have not regained their senses yet to the docs where it hurts. Those Boilermakers hit!

    It came down to athleticism and a little better talent. And Golson.
     
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    So far the OL and the running game are the only disappointments for the Irish this year. The defense so far has way exceeded expectations, Golson has played extremely well and the OL has done a pretty good job protecting him, not as good as last years line but still pretty good.

    The WR's are playing well, as Kelly says a lot of room for improvement. They are a talented bunch, they are young as well. I thought that Chris Brown would be our leading receiver based on summer reports and fall camp reports, but so far he's not been our best receiver. William Fuller has made spectacular catches and scratch your head drops. The Commander (The Admirals son) has been about what I expected, strength is catching the ball with a DB hanging on him, not fast like Fuller or Brown. Ben Koyack has been ok, made some good plays but I was looking for him to be more Tyler Eifertlike but then he's not being thrown to like Tyler was so maybe that's not fair.

    But we'll need to get some people healthy and that OL, which is young for sure but that's the norm for college football, will need to improve it's run blocking or the pressure on Golson is going to ratchet up and he'll run more himself and then expose himself to more possibilty of injury. If Golson goes out, Zaire is really young and inexperienced and we won't be the same team.

    Still feels like a team that's going to lose 2 games or so. I think we are capable of beating just about all of our schedule, but FSU. Stanford and USC will be tough as always and there is always another game like Purdue where you are in a dogfight with a team you expected to beat.

    Pretty cool that Joe Schmidts parents were in the stands when he makes the INT to snuff out Purdue's last chance.

    Baratti is done for the year, another surgery. I'm guessing he'll give it another try next year, really too bad.

    I sure hope we get some resolution this week on the academic issues. Even if it's all those guy gone, or if it's some of the gone and something less than that for the others. DaVaris Daniels dad keeps tweeting how pissed he is, I get that but it wasn't ND's fault that his son might have made some bad choices with regards to academics. That's on DaVaris, nobody forced him to do it, if he did.
     
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    Kelly press conf:

    Carlisle might be ok for Syracuse, will have MRI and they'll see but his knee is not the same as Collinsworth.

    Tori Hunter will probably be in the mix for Syracuse, I'm sure Proisse will start but we might see a lot of Hunter. Trumbetti and Lombard back for sure. Cole Luke, concussion protocol, likely for 'Cuse.

    As far as the OL, he and Heistand are going to have a talk.

    Q. I noticed last night you talked about opportunity to maybe critically evaluate your offense. When it comes to offensive line play, is it a matter of staying with these five and kind of going through some growing pains with them, or would you consider different personnel in the offensive line?
    COACH KELLY: That's a very good question. I'm going to meet with Coach Hiestand in about 45 minutes and we are going to have a pretty in depth conversation. It will probably evolve around the five guys that played, plus Christian Lombard, and whether we have the five in the right position.

    We're not going to entertain maybe one other player, McGlinchey would be involved in that conversation. But quite frankly, we've got to find a little bit more push inside, and that's what we're going to try to come up with. So we're in the process right now of kind of sorting that out ourselves.

    Q. I'm probably answering my own question a little bit, but Elmer just seemed more comfortable inside. Do you see that? Or again, is it just part of the growth process with him? COACH KELLY: Yeah, you know, I think you could look at it one of two ways, right. One, let's hang in there and let him continue to work through a new position; or, two, he's much more comfortable at guard.

    We're going to have to come to that decision here, and so that's really where we need to sit down. We're going to evaluate where we are after three weeks, because we have to get better. We know we've got some good players. We have to figure out whether we have them all in the right place
     
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    The problem with this whole deal is that nobody seems to know what the hell is going on. How could it take this long is my question. If they are guilty let them know, if they're not the same. Let's just get on with it whatever the outcome is.</r>
     
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    The university will take whatever time is necessary to make a right and fair decision. It's not the least bit necessary for anyone, including Daniels' dad, to know what is going on. As far as I'm concerned, it will take whatever time it takes. What puzzles me is why people are concerned about student-athletes who are not even part of the team. If and when they return to the team, they can go to work to earn back their positions. I can't see the coach pushing aside players who have earned the right to start just because another player who once was higher on the depth chart returns. If they don't return, then we continue to move on as we have up to this point.